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Post by MTR on Oct 5, 2019 14:23:14 GMT -5
So something popped in my mind while I was eating at Subway and reading the wiki entry for the Imjin War. This one idea is a little different from what we usually bring up in this thread since its usually adaptations of the historical texts, but in this case, its more of a What If? scenario, or alternate history (example being what if Korea was never liberated from Japan). What if Toyotomi Hideyoshi managed to successfully get the Portuguese warships that he requested for his invasion? It is said that he asked for two galleons but never received them because the European missionaries were told not to interfere with internal politics. Those two Galleons caused Hideyoshi to turn against the Christians in Japan. 27 were executed in retaliation, as the religion was banned.
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Post by sageuk on Oct 5, 2019 17:14:28 GMT -5
Hypothetically, had Hideyoshi successfully got the galleons, how would it have affected the Imjin War? Would it have changed anything? Would the Joseon navy have run into difficulties against those vessels?
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Post by ajk on Oct 6, 2019 0:16:50 GMT -5
I think it would have had a huge effect, depending on how many ships they actually ended up with. The sturdier Korean warships could carry cannons and destroy the flimsier Japanese ships...well Portugal had some of the best ships in the world at that time and could have engaged the Korean ships to free up the Japanese ships to use their higher speeds and rush the enemy. Depending on how many ships, it might have been very ugly.
Which is why they'd never make a series about it.
Yeah I get the ham too...they do a nice job with the ham.
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Post by sageuk on Feb 13, 2022 23:36:19 GMT -5
I've been reading about the early history of Balhae, specifically the sons of Dae Jo Yeong as well as his grandsons. There is a good chance this story was told on this forum but I'm going to recount it.
The Heuksu Malgal, who answered to Balhae, were having secret diplomatic relations with the Tang Dynasty. Fearing that a pincer attack would be launched against Balhae (Heuksu Malgal territory is to the northwest), Dae Muye, the second king and Dae Joyeong's son orders his brother, Munye, to subjugate the Heuksu Malgal. Munye is reluctant to do so out of fear that Tang would retaliate in response, arguing that Goguryeo was once vast but fell to Tang; Balhae was one thirds the size of Goguryeo at the time, so what chance did Balhae have to resist them? Muye did not listen and ordered the punitive expedition anyway. When the invading army reached the border, Munye sent a letter to the king to reconsider. Munye decided to replace him and call him back to execute him. Fearful for his life, Munye fled to Tang, where he became a member of the Imperial Guard. Muye demanded that the Tang Court execute him, but was refused.
Some time later, Balhae launched a naval assault on Dengzhou, a port city. The Tang emperor asked Silla to attack from the south, and assigned Dae Munye to lead an army to attack Balhae. It seems that there were plans for Munye to take the throne to maintain peace with the Tang. The details of the invasion on Dae Munye's end isn't given, but he either seems to have lost or the operation was aborted. Silla soldiers on the other hand, encountered a harsh winter, so they couldn't attack properly.
Incensed that his brother would attack his own homeland, Muye sent assassins after him. Munye survived. There isn't anything else regarding Dae Munye after this.
Some years later, two of Balhae's neighbors, the Khitans and the Xi people submitted to Tang. When that happened, in a twist of irony, Muye decided to switch to a pro-Tang stance, to the point of detaining envoy of the Gokturks, an ally of Balhae.
If this part of history was dramatized, who would be the villain? Muye for wanting to kill his brother? Munye for going against his homeland and serving the empire that destroyed his ancestral country? Would the story come across as pro-Chinese despite the fact Balhae was formed as an act of defiance against Tang?
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Post by ajk on Feb 14, 2022 3:42:26 GMT -5
Seems like that would be a difficult story to write for a marketable TV drama. But not impossible; has a lot of interesting angles to it. You never know--they did Dawn of the Empire to be the sequel to EWG.
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Post by MTR on Feb 17, 2022 13:37:13 GMT -5
I honestly donβt think they would touch because itβs too pro Chinese . Especially with the main character defecting to Tang .
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Post by sageuk on Feb 17, 2022 23:41:22 GMT -5
For the next of hypothetical stories about Balhae kings, this one is based more on theory moreso than history.
Following the death of King Mun, the grandson Dae Jo Yeong, his younger brother/cousin(?) Dae Wonui took the throne in 793. Dae Wonui was said to be tyrannical and paranoid, eventually killed by his own when not even a year passed after he took the throne.
His entry in historical records are two sentences, but there is speculation around this time there was a succession crisis and internal strife happening at Balhae, the evidence for such a conflict being that King Mun had other sons who probably had better claim to the throne than Dae Wonui did, but they seemed to be elsewhere. King Mun had a son who was Crown Prince but he had died earlier. It is also speculated that Dae Wonui had the support of the elite of the Eastern Capital, which became the main capital after King Mun decided to change it from Sanggyeong (Balhae had five capital cities) and that got him on the throne.
There isn't alot to go on due to his entry being so brief, but I think a fictional story can be made based on the theory.
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Post by π°π’ππ«πͺππ π©ππ¦π― on Apr 4, 2022 19:20:33 GMT -5
A few historical webtoons that aren't complete fantasy I'd like to see adapted
1. Brandishing Knives (μΉΌλΆλ¦Ό) by Go Il Kwon 4-season ongoing revenge webtoon about Lee Gwal's rebellion, plans to reach as far as the Manchu invasions. Would be great as a Daeha drama. There is a controversy about distortion of Lee Gwal's character but honestly that's a better controversy than Ming-styled Hong Taiji with a eunuch's voice.
2. Joseon Dynasty Group Chat Also ongoing, i think. This would totally be a fusion but i like the premise of historical social media
3. Marriage Ban by Cheon Ji Hye A grieving King is pressured to get remarried and lift the 7 year marriage Ban that's been in effect since his wife's death as Crown Prince. Another fusion, but i feel like it'd be a more serious one.
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Post by truth on Mar 19, 2023 22:06:52 GMT -5
3. Marriage Ban by Cheon Ji Hye A grieving King is pressured to get remarried and lift the 7 year marriage Ban that's been in effect since his wife's death as Crown Prince. Another fusion, but i feel like it'd be a more serious one. This drama just ended on January 21st en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forbidden_Marriage
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Post by sageuk on Apr 6, 2023 23:47:10 GMT -5
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Post by ajk on Apr 7, 2023 7:01:10 GMT -5
Wow, yes that could make for a fascinating story. Wonder if someone would make it, though, since it's set in Hungary...would add to the production costs to film it all Western-looking.
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Post by truth on May 28, 2023 16:08:24 GMT -5
Don't know about drama, but I think story of Seol Jukhwa would make a good movie. Seol Jukhwa is basically the Korean version of Mulan. Just thought of her after watching the new trailer for Disney's live action Mulan film. Seol Jukhwa's father was a Goryeo dynasty soldier who was killed along with his commander Yang Gyu in battle against Khitans. Her father's body was returned to the family along with a poem he wrote, which urged "his descendants to fight against Khitans until death like him." He only had a daughter, so the "descendants" probably referred to the young generation of men in Goryeo. Upon reading her husband's poem, Seol's mother cried in front of Seol saying "if only you were a man, you would have been able to keep his will!" Seol swore to obey her father's will upon hearing her mother and got a martial arts training. When she felt her fighting skills were as good as men her age, she disguised herself as a man and went to Kang Gamchan's battalion to volunteer as a soldier. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Gam-chanThe enlisting officer refused to accept her, thinking that "he" looked too weak and feminine. When rejected, Seol lied that she was Kang Gamchan's nephew and that she wanted to talk to her uncle about joining the military. The enlisting officer took her to meet Kang as she kept insisting she was Kang's nephew. She pleaded Kang Gamchan to let her in the military upon meeting him. Kang, too, refused to accept her at first, but allowed to let her join when she said she wanted to continue her father's legacy by sacrificing her life for the country. Upon joining the army, Seol Jukhwa fought bravely in numerous battles until a battle in 1019 when Khitan soldiers teamed up on her to kill her as they saw that she was one of the top fighting soldiers on the field. Seol bravely fought off the Khitans coming at her until she died of numerous arrow shots. Kang Gamchan and other soldiers on her battalion only discovered that she was a girl after her death and were deeply saddened by her father's poem that she kept inside her clothes while she fought in the battlefield. Kang said looking at her dead body, "You have sacrificed your young life to save your country. We will not forget your loyalty. As long as young people like you exist, Goryeo will never fall to the invasion of foreign enemies. Oh, dear admirable one. You are the flower of Goryeo, her true daughter." Imaginary painting of Seol Jukhwa fighting against Khitans moments before her death. Seol Jukhwa from a historical documentary show I wonder if they would include this story in the new Goryeo-Khitan War drama. My guess is probably not since the drama is only 32 episodes. They might have included it if the drama was 50 episodes like Jeong Dojeon or Jingbirok. I think Seol Jukhwa would be a good main character for a fusion historical and her story actually has some historical basis, unlike all other crossdressing fusion historicals. Wonder why nobody has turned her story into a drama or film yet.
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Post by sageuk on Nov 30, 2023 9:30:04 GMT -5
This story isnβt in the Samguk Sagi but is recorded in Nihon Shoki which cites the now lost Original Record of Baekje, but itβs about a succession crisis in Goguryeo during the sixth century.
Specifically, (presumably) King Anwon had three wives, the first one with no children, the other two birthed sons. The mother of the Crown Prince, later Yangwon, is from the Chu clan, while the other consort is from the Se clan. When the king became ill, the Se clan challenged the right to succession of the Crown Prince, leading to 2000 Se clan members getting killed.
I wonder if something can be done with this or is it objectionable the story is based off a Japanese source
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Post by sageuk on Apr 5, 2024 12:36:56 GMT -5
It will never happen but imagine a Korean historical movie or drama in which the actors were made to speak like how it was spoken back in the day. Would be an absolute pain for the actors and writers but its a fun thought
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Post by sageuk on Apr 12, 2024 18:06:38 GMT -5
I saw the miniseries I, Claudius last summer. I actually tried watching it before some years ago, but ended up falling asleep. I decided to give it another go and found myself surprisingly invested.
Any way, idea inspired by I, Claudius, specifically how it covers the reigns of the early Julio-Claudian dynasty of Roman emperors. How about a similar narrative in the case of the Baekje kings' reigns during the Ungjin era starting with the Munju to Muryeong with all the hectic infighting and possible factional strife that came with that era, especially with all the possible theorized assassinations.
Not to mention Muryeong was old enough to live through the destruction of Hanseong/Wirye and the move to Ungjin/Komanaru so he'd be the equivalent of Claudius.
Then there's the question of which familial relations to pick because depending on the source, who is whose son tends to differ. Like Munju being Gaero's son in SS while they're brothers Nihon Shoki. I personally going with brothers.
Then there's the question of Muryeong's parentage because that one is a doozy to think about. Samguk sagi claims he's Dongseong's son (which I don't think adds up because of his birth year) but Nihon Shoki says he's either Gaero or Gonji's son.
(where did Samgeun's mother being from the Gwak clan come from anyway?)
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