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Post by sageuk on Mar 1, 2017 22:33:29 GMT -5
Its perfect. The underdog rising to the top, which is really popular with Kdramas in general, and the downfall.
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Post by truth on Mar 1, 2017 23:00:53 GMT -5
Its perfect. The underdog rising to the top, which is really popular with Kdramas in general, and the downfall. If it happens, it should be done in an Age of Warriors style. His alliance with Lee Jagyeom doesn't exactly make him your typical historical protagonist.
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Post by sageuk on Mar 3, 2017 0:59:34 GMT -5
There's somrthing I'm curious about though. koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2936828It says here that Yun Gwan was like a father to Cheok, but according to a JSTOR article titled 12th Century Koryo Politics: Rise of Han Anin and his Partisans, Yi Jagyeom apparently took part in making sure Yun Gwan was punished and stripped of his rank. The Joonang article suggests that he grew disillusioned that he would join hands with a terrible person. One would think that he'd want revenge on Yi Jagyeom (then again, its possible he didn't know about the role he played?) unless he is in fact one of those opportunistic people who decided to suck up to the higher power.
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Post by truth on Mar 3, 2017 1:26:28 GMT -5
There's somrthing I'm curious about though. koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2936828It says here that Yun Gwan was like a father to Cheok, but according to a JSTOR article titled 12th Century Koryo Politics: Rise of Han Anin and his Partisans, Yi Jagyeom apparently took part in making sure Yun Gwan was punished and stripped of his rank. The Joonang article suggests that he grew disillusioned that he would join hands with a terrible person. One would think that he'd want revenge on Yi Jagyeom (then again, its possible he didn't know about the role he played?) unless he is in fact one of those opportunistic people who decided to suck up to the higher power. Cheok's daughter was married to Lee Jagyeom's son, which is why he joined forces with him. Emperor Injong eventually convinces Cheok Jungyeong to turn on Lee Jagyeom as he has always been loyal to imperial family despite him joining forces with Lee Jagyeom, who is like the Lee In Yim of this time period.
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Post by sageuk on Jun 3, 2017 17:40:55 GMT -5
Recetnly, I bought the English translantion of the Koguryo Annals of the Samguk Sagi (they made a separate book for each kingdom-I managed to purchase all three) and found a passage that would make a neat epic. King Dongcheon's war with Cao Wei. I did further research and managed to find a tumblr blog that writes about China's Three Kingdoms era. King Dongcheon, the eleventh king of Goguryeo, named Uwigo (though the Chinese claim his name is Wigung) had an allied with one of the Chinese Three Kingdoms founded by Cao Cao, named Wei. The alliance worked to destroy the Gongsun clan who were lords of the Liadong territories and turned against Wei despite being a vassal. Goguryeo wanted some of the Liaodong territory, but it still remained under Wei rule, so Dongcheon sent soldiers to destroy Xianping, a fort near the Liadong and Goguryeo borders. One of his officials, tried to stop this move, but was ignored, so he starved himself to death in protest. Four years after that, the Wei army under Guanqiu Jian invaded Goguryeo in retaliation (I found it a little strange that they didn't retaliate sooner after that, but the blogger said that it took some time for the Wei army to finally drive the Goguryeo occupants out of Xianping). The king led his armies to take on the invaders on the river valleys, and according to Saguk sagi, scored a couple victories and got overconfident, pursuing the fleeing enemies. Guanqiu Jian apparently put his soldiers in a square formation (apparently looking this up, this tactic is used by infantry to counter cavalry attacks by pulling up shields and pointing the spears-18th century warfare in Europe used this formation with muskets and bayonets). Dongcheon's army was defeated and they fled. Two months later, Guanqiu Jian destroyed the capital at the time, Hwando Mountain Fortress. The mountainous terrain should have protected the capital, but Chinese sources say that Guanqiu Jian used a pulley system to carry his cavalry up the mountains. The capital is sacked and many people are killed. Dongcheon and many others managed to flee and headed to one of their tributary states, Okjeo. As they were being chased, one of his warriors named Miru, gathers a handful of soldiers and holds the enemies off at a mountain pass. Miru manages to survive, thanks to Yu Okgu wo volunteers to bring him back. They manage to get to Okjeo, but are ultimately caught up by the Wei. Chinese records apparently say that the Wei army subdued the tributary tribes in order to weaken the kindgom. Later, someone named Yuyu offered to surrender to the Wei general (not Guanqiu Jian, nor Wang Qi whom I forgot to mention; the general is not given a name), and then killed the general with a knife before commitng suicide. WIthout a leader, the enemy army was thrown into chaos, which Dongcheon took advantage of. (There is something is strange about what is written about this event. It has a sentence that says "The Wei army in disarray, could not deploy itself and so withdrew from Lelang," which is weird since the writing earlier indicated that the fight took place when the Wei reached Okjeo) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/History_of_Korea-001.png/800px-History_of_Korea-001.pngA year later, Dongcheon returned to Hwando. The capital was in terrible shape, so he decided to instead rebuilt a new capital called Pyongyang. A king driven by pride which causes his country to near ruin, and barely manages to fight back and get a victory, only his ordeal has a bittersweet end. Despite his little victory near the end, many of the tribes that paid tribute sustaining Goguryeo's economy are now Wei subjects, the silver lining being that the king still survives. Though I get the feeling some Korean nationalists would accuse me of being for "Korea being oppressed for going against a higher nation" for proposing this story be dramatized.
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Post by ajk on Jun 3, 2017 23:29:06 GMT -5
That does sound like it has a lot of potential. It seems like the networks don't like to venture back too far in time so that might be an obstacle, who knows. But good idea; thanks for sharing the story.
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Post by sageuk on Jul 28, 2017 10:46:57 GMT -5
Before, I mentioned the Joseon army's assistance with Qing's fight with the Russians, as well as the newspaper ran by British journalist Ernest Bethell who protested Japan's occupancy of Korea. Recently I came across the website of the National Library of Australia and they had two books, one for each subject that I was referring to. The first is "The Korea Problem in Anglo-Saxon Relations: Ernest Thomas Bethell and his newspapers, the Daehan Maeil Sinbo and the Korea Daily News" and "Kugyok Pukchong Ilgi," General Shin Yu's diary of his time in the Amur River. The Australian Library can apparently send pdf copies of their books, but due to copyright law, can only send 10% or a chapter for each book requested for a price. Its not hugely expensive, but I managed to get pdf copies of the first portions of each book.
For the book about Ernest Bethell, the chapter I received was basically about his early life as well as family history. It is a great read and expansion of what little I found out about him before. Guy used to sell carpets before he went into journalism.
As for Pukchong Ilgi, even though I figured that it wasn't going to be in English when I first got, I was flabbergasted. It uses a combination of Korean as well as Chinese letters certain places and names and misc. and English for the Russian locations and people. I don't think I even got the general's account of his time there. Just 49 pages of an overview and summary of that point in history.
Still, I got to see these books. Bless the Aussies.
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Post by ajk on Jul 28, 2017 23:07:18 GMT -5
Can't find the first book for under $100 and nobody has the second one listed, at least not on bookfinder.com. So yeah that's a nice opportunity you had to peek into those.
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Post by sageuk on Jul 28, 2017 23:52:38 GMT -5
The National Library of AUstralia was actually nice enough to give me a link to where I could buy a copy of the first one.
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Post by sageuk on Aug 28, 2017 2:14:34 GMT -5
Some time ago, I mentioned that there were those who theorized that a volcano eruption caused Balhae's destruction. This article, however, refutes that theory. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379116305017We can still have a story about Korean people encountering a natural disaster though. After Balhae fell, there were remnants who created their own kingdoms in an attempt to revive it and fight back against theKhitan. One such country was Jeongan, founded by Yeol Manhwa. The eruption of Mt. Baekdu, known as the Millenium Eruption, took place in946. Jeongan was around in 938-986. Whose to say that the eruption didn't affect them? Of course, it would have to be heavily fictionalized.
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Post by ajk on Aug 30, 2017 18:19:18 GMT -5
Finally had the chance to sit down and give that thing a proper reading. A very impressive piece of science. Great post!
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Post by sageuk on Aug 30, 2017 19:15:22 GMT -5
Only problem here is that the volcanic ash that took place affected Japan. No evidence that ashfall happened on Korean soil, just that the Goryeo heard a large drum like thunder. Unless I'm reading it wrong.
There's another thing I'm confused about. Why is there a Korean document that documents ash rain in Japan?
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Post by ajk on Aug 31, 2017 20:39:01 GMT -5
No idea on the document--maybe an envoy or traveler reporting back?
If you click on that first map to get the full-size version, it looks like it's indicating the ash went east. Must have been prevailing winds that carried it that way rather than south.
Fascinating how they've managed to patch together a historical calendar by joining up data from so many tree rings and ice core samples.
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Post by MTR on Sept 3, 2017 16:27:23 GMT -5
As long as no one time travels, that would be an amazing topic . But its also the type of drama that KBS would have made between 1998 and 2008.Sadly they would not make it now, it would be much too expensive, and they just have no interest anymore . The audience has changed over the years .
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Post by truth on Feb 22, 2018 22:46:03 GMT -5
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