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Post by Knov1 on Sept 21, 2008 3:56:58 GMT -5
Even I, who don't normally watch daily dramas, have gotten caught up in all the TY & SY drama lol.
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 21, 2008 11:09:48 GMT -5
I thought Taeyeong's family acted horrible to Soyeong and expressed their feelings right to her face. They're treating her like she's a criminal. Does she have to pay for her mistake for the rest of her life? I could understand if she was currently pregnant with another man's child. That would be hard for any parent to be thrilled about. Even so, I can't imagine yelling at someone like that and telling them to get out of your house. What happened to Yeongsuk saying she would be happy as long as her son was happy? She was so understanding when Soyeong's mother told her the truth about her daughter having a child. Didn't Yeongsuk say she had a new respect for her raising a child on her own and how difficult it must have been?
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Post by soapygrams on Sept 21, 2008 12:24:23 GMT -5
???Yes, Tinkerbell, she did say all those nice things. But that was BEFORE she was told it was HER son who wanted to marry YS - it's a case of that "good idea - but NOT IN MY BACKYARD" - it was when she had to face the fact that her son wanted and expected his family to accept the woman he loves and wants to marry. Evidently, in Korean society, being an unwed mother with a teen-aged child is an absolute block to marriage in some families. We will have to wait to see just how it plays out. I am really amazed at how quickly emotions change in this drama - one minute a person is kind and understanding and very charitable and the next they are self-righteous and mean . . .maybe people really ARE like that, but gratefully, I don't personally know any.
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 22, 2008 11:43:46 GMT -5
You are so right soapygrams.
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Post by Lucy on Sept 22, 2008 12:50:20 GMT -5
To balance out her apparent two-facedness, the mom did say to her husband, in reporting that conversation, that she said that to Soyeong's mom but that she was really shocked. I don't think it's too hard to imagine that something might be OK for someone else's daughter but not for your own daughter or potential DIL.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Sept 22, 2008 18:08:19 GMT -5
To balance out her apparent two-facedness, the mom did say to her husband, in reporting that conversation, that she said that to Soyeong's mom but that she was really shocked. I don't think it's too hard to imagine that something might be OK for someone else's daughter but not for your own daughter or potential DIL. I think it's the bloodlines topic again. Agree, "not in my family". Yes, the girl should make a new start, but any grandchildren in MY family have got to be my son's children. In Who's My Love, the family eventually accepted the baby and his mother. Maybe that'll happen here, too.
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Post by Lucy on Sept 22, 2008 18:50:38 GMT -5
Maybe, but that kid had the advantage of being a cute little baby. What was his name, Jin? Remember how the g'parents resisted taking care of him but couldn't help noticing how quiet and pleasant he was? He really grew on them. I don't think Yunhui is half as charming.
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Post by Lucy on Sept 23, 2008 12:19:55 GMT -5
You know, I'm really tired of storylines where the woman wants to give up on the romance but the man won't let go. I know we're supposed to cheer for the romance to succeed and be glad that at least one person in the relationship isn't giving up, but think about how the plot would "read" if it were the woman pushing and pushing instead of the man (which it never is). I'm not talking about Subin-type plots where the woman pursues a man who doesn't return her feelings, but ones like this one, where the man and woman are both in love. I know this is "just" a TV show, but "No" should mean "no" if you have any respect for the person. What Taeyeong did to Soyeong--lying to her and to his family to make that meeting happen--was really disrespectful of her agency in their relationship.
Clearly, I'm of two minds about this, because I simultaneously know how I'm supposed to take this kind of thing (i.e., have fun and don't take it too seriously), but I also think it's unhealthy to promote the idea that a romantic partner is a thing to be obtained and manipulated (which both Taeyeong and Subin are guilty of, but in different ways).
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Post by soapygrams on Sept 23, 2008 13:26:12 GMT -5
Lucy you are on the mark about this situation. I've been recalling all of the dramas with this type of love story, and you know almost EVERY drama has one; it is ALWAYS the female who wanted to end it but the male INSISTED on continuing it, even though the woman, HIS family, HER family etc. all suffered in one way or another because of it. No one was happy until toward the end of the show it was finally resolved. Then it seems that all of the people start to like each other and get along happily etc. Do you think that's a true human reaction? I don't know. Some people could "let by-gones be by-gones" but not everyone has that ability. As you say, it's a fictional story so we shouldn't get too upset about it - but it does make me wonder if ANY family in Korea goes through this wrenching emotional situation and then comes out of it unscathed. Good for them if they can . . .
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 23, 2008 16:03:46 GMT -5
I was bothered by the fact that Taeyeong convinced Soyeong to meet with his parents and subjected her to the tongue lashing and humiliation she suffered. He even admitted he had expected their reaction, but she was clueless and walked right into the lion's den. I truly believe he loves her and they are the cutest couple, but he never should have put her in that horrible situation. He should have protected her at all costs, that's real love. This is one time I think he made a big mistake. I agree with the male/ female situation and it's always the female enduring the brunt of it, whether it's verbal abuse or getting slapped in the face.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Sept 23, 2008 17:46:49 GMT -5
I was bothered by the fact that Taeyeong convinced Soyeong to meet with his parents and subjected her to the tongue lashing and humiliation she suffered. He even admitted he had expected their reaction, but she was clueless and walked right into the lion's den. I truly believe he loves her and they are the cutest couple, but he never should have put her in that horrible situation. He should have protected her at all costs, that's real love. This is one time I think he made a big mistake. I agree with the male/ female situation and it's always the female enduring the brunt of it, whether it's verbal abuse or getting slapped in the face. I agree completely, tinkerbell! He made some effort to shield her after some of the scolding happened, but she was totally ambushed. He should have been smarter and more empathetic. grrr.
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Post by zorro on Sept 24, 2008 9:18:38 GMT -5
I may be the only one who *hasn't* liked these two together from the very beginning. This plot line is becoming another cliche, like so many of the cancer victims we've seen in others and thankfully (so far) haven't had to endure in this one. I don't know if it's an agenda to try and change some of the traditional societal views, or just a cheap solution for another K Soap, but it seems another formula that maybe the viewers want. After all, look how many of us are wrapped up in all this. I agree totally about the ambush tactic. Tacky and rude, but maybe it's supposed to be a "manly" thing to take on your parents and/or in laws in the name of love. That way he gets all the blame and the woman is "spared"… hardly. I can think of a few cases when the woman kept the dream alive when the man wanted to give up. Miyeon for Boksu, Danpung for Baekho, and Hari for the Single Daddy, whose name escapes me right now. As Lucy mentioned, I think the biggest difference is Yunhui. There's an element of creepiness with the daughter having feelings for her mom's boyfriend, (BTW how many times has he said "No!" to her?) or vice versa for that matter. Yunhui still doesn't know it's Taeyoung, which in itself is another lie by omission. I can't help but think when she does find out, it's another screaming and crying scene waiting to happen. I'm also bothered by Soyeong's mother who wants to "buy" her daughters happiness and thinks she can just send Yunhui away or "adopt" her so her daughter is technically "single" again. Desperate measures for desperate times maybe, but it's still bothersome. I'll stay out of it now.
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 24, 2008 11:52:15 GMT -5
I agree zorro about Soyeong's mother. I understand she'd do anything to insure her daughter's happiness, and Soyeong is in a bad situation, but she has gone over board. You're right about Yunhui too, Taeyeong has repeatedly told her he's not interested in the way she wants him to be. I had read an article recently, and for the life of me I can't find where I found it, but it was written by a Korean about the dramas. It specifically stated the recurring themes in the dramas we watch; love triangles, mean mother-in-laws, girl / boy falling in love with poor boy/ girl and all the suffering that comes along with it, cancer, stalking, orphans, abandonment, and adoption. Another thing I noticed is how men grab the girl they love and drag her out of a room or into the car. So I'd add physical abuse to the list. BTW You are entitled to your opinion and if you're not rooting for them, it doesn't bother me. It's a drama.
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Post by tinkerbell on Sept 25, 2008 18:06:39 GMT -5
I guess the other shoe finally dropped, Yunhui now knows about her mother and the man they both love. I feel really bad for both of them, mother and daughter.
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Post by kumbis16 on Sept 25, 2008 18:27:32 GMT -5
Maybe Soyoung's mom thinks her money could buy TY's family Judging by the way halmoni acts I don't blame her. What she doesn't realize is that YS is very proud and somewhat very different from busy bod grandma.... Didn't like how that whole scene with TY intruducing Soyoung played out either. I couldn't understand what he thought was going to happen, maybe he was hoping for a miracle. Bottom line if you love someone that much, you def shouldn't expose them to that kind of humiliation.
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