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Post by Avalon on Oct 2, 2003 19:59:26 GMT -5
As much as I don't care for SM's treatment of JY, MJ surely is the most cruel of all the characters. No only does she divorces SM but asks for his resignation. Then she stands by and watches her daughter cry her head off wailing for for her daddy. She has described herself as being ungenerous...well that is an understatement I must say. She has failed as a loving understanding wife and as a parent who puts her own welfare ahead of her child's interest. Life will not reward her with much of anything worthwhile with her lack of basic human compassion.
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Post by Rosetta on Oct 3, 2003 12:38:10 GMT -5
Yes . . . but . . .
Sang-min has been lying to her and deceiving her from the time before they were even married. He really is a leech and a slime. Even now, it's clear that he doesn't care how many people he hurts so long as he can force his precious last name on Ji-min. And it's clear he doesn't even really care for his son's welfare, since he must know that this will not help, but ultimately hurt, Ji-min. So why would Min-joo want to be married to such a person, not to mention have to continue to financially support his parents? And why not ask for his resignation, since it's been quite a while since Sang-min has done any work! It's only right that Sang-min should go back to where he came from: as a minor worker in a large firm. It was only Min-joo who elevated his position in the first place -- and this is how Sang-min repays her.
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Post by mikey on Oct 3, 2003 13:31:32 GMT -5
Avalon makes some good points, but I still tend to agree with Rosetta. Min-joo is cold-blooded and harsh, but she's an open book. She tells it exactly as it is and everybody knows that you'll suffer the consequences if you defy her.
Sang-min, by comparison, is a bit of a weasel, always lying and doing things behind people's backs. To me, that makes him the much more disreputable character.
Mikey
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Post by INDEBWETRUST on Oct 3, 2003 14:30:13 GMT -5
oooH Jade is gonna yell at you for tellign what is coming next ;D
Any way, I can't believe she's asking for a resignation after all this time you would think sm has learned mj's personality. He is such a creep, I think his wanting to give jm the last has more to do with ego than actually wanting to do right.
Also, I got a post from my other fanclub that this how head of household issue is real big in the news right now.
thanks for your time-deb
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Post by JadeEyes on Oct 3, 2003 18:56:56 GMT -5
oooH Jade is gonna yell at you for tellign what is coming next ;D When are you going to get it through your impenetrable skull that "Jade" is watching the same episodes as are posted about in this thread? Or are you just trying to be annoying. If so, you're a childish moron who deserves to be ignored...and probably you will be. Jade |
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Post by Avalon on Oct 3, 2003 19:51:47 GMT -5
Tsk! Tsk! You can dish it out but you can't take it. Again, may I remind you that it is not acceptable either here or anywhere on the Internet to call people names. It shows an appalling lack of respect. If you read the other threads you will find that there others who also find your behavior/language offensive. Do try to clean up your act. And if you read this in its entirety you will find that I have described with accuracy your behavior but have not lowered myself to using offensive and/or provocative language.
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Post by JadeEyes on Oct 3, 2003 22:56:42 GMT -5
You make some good points, Rosetta and Mikey, and both of you put it very well. Mostly, I agree w/ you both. As you say, Mikey, it's so true that SM has gotten exactly what he should've expected...MJ told him from day one what would happen if he recognized JM as his son. She never gave him a single reason not to believe she was serious and capable of carrying out her threats. Having been on the losing end w/ her once before, it's unfathomable to me he would have tested her like this.
And yeah, he is a big liar, and has been from the start. Which makes it all the more ironic when he gets on a high horse about
standing up for truth and justice as a justification for disputing Young-joon's claim.
Still, I find what MJ is doing right now beyond defense. She has a child now, a child very attached to her adopted father. Yet, MJ thinks nothing of turning this little girl's world up side down and inflicting real trauma on her all because she can't have SM doing something against her orders. As much as she may sincerely disagree w/ SM over filing the registry papers against the wishes of YJ and JY, it's pretty clear to see her main concern is that it makes her crazy to have SM even acknowledge this child as his. And no matter how mad this makes her, or how much she disagrees w/ his decision, that's not reason enough to put her child through this kind of trauma.
When a married couple has a child or children together, it changes everything. They owe it to the child/children to make every possible effort to find a way to keep the family together. If the father (or mother) is doing something seriously terrible, like physical or extreme mental abuse, or taking money away from the family to fund a gambling or substance addiction, or there's blatant cheating going on...something along those lines, that's another story altogether. That's about the only reasons I can think of to slap a guy w/ divorce papers and say "there's nothing to work out" despite how it hurts the kids.
But this is not a situation like this. SM is being a jerk, yes. MJ has a right to be frustrated and terribly disappointed. But what he's doing is not so intolerable that she shouldn't try a little harder to work out their differences, if for no other reason than what the divorce will do to Yuna.
Tonight's ep. was very hard to watch in the parts concerning SM and his miserable domestic nightmare, in particular, Yuna's heartbreak. It was just wrenching to see those scenes of her inconsolable tears. How MJ could look on and not be moved enough to yield some and try to see what could be salvaged, I just don't know. She must have ice water in her veins.
Jade
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Post by TheBo on Oct 6, 2003 13:20:27 GMT -5
Jade, I think you're being a little hard on Min-Joo. She's caught in an untenable situation. Her husband is not only a "jerk"--he's a liar and a cheat (and apparently, an alcoholic). He solemnly promised her whole family and Ja-Young that he would not try to put the boy on his register, and then he went ahead and tried to do it anyway. And this isn't the first time he's lied to her or tried to do something behind her back.
Also, she thinks the law allowing him to do this is immoral. Is she supposed to support something she sees as immoral? There's much to criticize about MJ, but as Mikey notes, she's an "open book"--everyone knows where she stands. (Except maybe for that abberation with the private detective business.) All children are traumatized by divorce or the separation of their parents, but sometimes, it's just a part of life that they have to go through. I don't think MJ is unaffected by it; I think she just believes it must be done. She's suffering, too.
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Post by Rosetta on Oct 6, 2003 13:34:50 GMT -5
And, re: Yuna, does anyone think that she's simply been a little too spoiled by her parents? Ji-min has no problem when JY and YJ go on honeymoon; he's self-reliant and not a big cry-baby. In contrast, Yuna's annoying whining and clinginess is a result of how her parents have raised her.
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Post by galacticchick on Oct 6, 2003 14:12:10 GMT -5
In contrast, Yuna's annoying whining and clinginess is a result of how her parents have raised her. Ahh! That's kind of mean, she is after all only 4 (in U.S. years).  Besides, Ji-min is seeing how happy his parents are and they are telling him that they will be away for two nights and then they are coming back, while Min-joo is being vague and telling Yuna that she just won't be able to see her Daddy as often as she used to. |
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Post by mikey on Oct 6, 2003 14:38:54 GMT -5
Actually, I kind of like the way Yuna is a little spoiled, self-centered, and bratty. Makes her really seem like Min-joo's daughter  Sometimes though, I think, Ji-min comes off as just a little too robotic. Is any 4-year old kid really that well behaved? |
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Post by JadeEyes on Oct 6, 2003 14:45:09 GMT -5
All very true, plus, Yuna is picking up on the thick atmosphere of constant tension and hostility that pervades that household. Ji-min is in a home surrounded by love, warmth and happiness that makes him feel safe and secure. He's been carefully prepared for the idea that his mom is going away just for a few days to have some special time with Ji-min's new daddy and then they will back again and will have lots of time together in their new home. In the meantime, his sweet Uncle Tae-young is giving him special attention too. No one seems terribly stressed and anxious or sad. Ja-young and her family and Young-joon have done a good job mostly in sheltering Ji-min from their worries and concerns for the unpleasant situation moving in on them.
Children are extremely reactive and sensitive to the moods of the household and their parents. Poor little Yuna is being totally freaked out. It's like everything she knows and understands about the world and all that she relies on to feel safe and protected is crashing in on her and she doesn't know why. Certainly she is quite spoiled...but any child would be freaked out over what's going on in her family.
And as wrong as Sang-min is, I still say divorce should be the absolute last resort for a couple with children or a child. I don't believe MJ has done all that she can to persuade SM to choose a different course. She's like a spoiled child that doesn't get her way so she throws a temper tantrum and lashes out in the most extreme way...no matter who gets hurt.
Jade
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Post by TheBo on Oct 7, 2003 11:12:07 GMT -5
I'd have to agree that Min-Joo is spoiled, and so is her daughter; they're both pretty stubborn, too. I don't think they could be any more alike if they'd been related by birth. They really are perfect for each other, SM and MJ and Yuna--it's the spoiled brat family. Funny thing, though--the only one who has even tried to put a stop to spoiling Yuna is Sang-min. I really hope they can all stay together, even if it's only so no one else gets stuck with them, eh? ;D
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Post by Rosetta on Oct 7, 2003 11:30:57 GMT -5
Good points, galactichick and everyone -- but I hate to admit that I still think Yuna needs a spanking. Since when do kids get to run the household (although in Korean dramas, it seems sometimes that kids are treated with special deference)? She gets a cold and runs a slight fever and suddenly everyone one in her family is running amok. It's so funny that the slightest thing that happens in Korean dramas (all a character has to do is faint), and they're all at the hospital. To be honest, I guess it's just that annoying crying sound Yuna makes that drives me crazy -- like a wind-up toy  . Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa -- |
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Post by galacticchick on Oct 7, 2003 12:51:29 GMT -5
To be honest, I guess it's just that annoying crying sound Yuna makes that drives me crazy -- like a wind-up toy . Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa -- LOL, Rosetta!  When you wrote that, I could almost hear Yuna's nasal little "AhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaAhhhhh" Lately though, her crying has improved, she actually has tears coming out of her eyes. Maybe they are pinching the living day lights out of her! If we are strictly talking annoying though, sometimes I just want to shake Jimin and say "Don't you know how to day anything other than, 'Okay', 'Yes' and 'Of Course'. Take yesterdays episode, for example, Grandma Sohn seemed more excited with the toys than he did. And those were two big boxes and a pretty neat room. Too robotic for my taste. |
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. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa --
When you wrote that, I could almost hear Yuna's nasal little "AhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaAhhhhh"