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Post by jinju0 on Feb 12, 2008 23:41:12 GMT -5
what is up with sukyoung after everything that everyone has gone through! knowing that DJY wanted to start a kingdom that had equal rights for all races. how can she feel that way about goem and then to also know the sacrifice that chulin did. i just hope that DJY has a talk with her and mimosa. it's funny, people get a crown and they go crazy
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Post by ronin on Feb 13, 2008 1:27:17 GMT -5
She's a mother. She wants what's best for her sons just like Chulin and Li Kaigu want what's best for Geom. Her sons have nobility ancestry on both sides of the family (Sukyoung's Royal Family and Dae Joyoung's military family). So it makes sense that one of them becomes the Crown Prince. If you're a mother or when you become a mother, you'll probably feel the same way for your kids. At first I thought Geom is a fictional character but I'm wondering if he'll become King Mu or Dae Muye (wikipedia article-sorry about that).
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Post by jinju0 on Feb 13, 2008 1:50:14 GMT -5
chulin is of nobility also. just because she isn't from goguryeo doesn't make her nobility any less. after all alot of royal families inter-marry with other nationalities. queen victoria married her children off all over europe. there isn't any reason why geom can't be the crown prince. DJY said he wanted the best qualified to be the next in line for the throne. his sons with sukyoung don't have the same experience as geom. after all he has two points of view, khitan and goguryeo. and with that he can best understand all the different races that have come together under balhae. i think being a mother is just a part of the picture with her. she has always distrusted chulin, and not until she sacrificed herself did she believe in her.
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Post by midwestmom on Feb 13, 2008 9:40:30 GMT -5
If you've seen Jumong, you'll remember a similar situation with Jumong and wife #1 and wife #2. According to something I've read, men of high rank/power/nobility during the time period of DJY had more than one wife plus concubines. These types of problems with succession probably happened quite often. In those ancient times, women were considered property. A marriage/union with a man of high rank was used to improve the woman's family's standing and consolidate power for the man. Thank goodness things have improved for women in most places in the world!
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Post by ajk on Feb 13, 2008 12:20:33 GMT -5
ronin, I think you're right--she wants her own sons to ascend as any mother would, and throughout the series she was very protective of King Bojang so the Goguryean royal bloodline is her top priority. It's entirely understandable that she'd want to keep the throne in her own family, although talking about it with Mimosa behind her husband's back isn't exactly the best way to handle it.
Frankly, though (and this isn't based on any spoiler knowledge, just my own speculation), I have to wonder if that whole thing was some kind of a buildup for Goem getting snuffed in #133 or #134. Considering how the series is now killing everybody at a frantic pace, and considering that the whole business of DJY and a Khitan woman fathering a child was never an established fact (at least that's what I've learned from the history experts here), it's certainly possible that the Goem character might not make it to the end either. Actually I've been surprised that he's lasted this long. Maybe they're building him up now to give him high status.
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Post by JP Paulus on Feb 14, 2008 14:54:11 GMT -5
For me, Sukyoung's behavior seemed out of character from what we've seen. Wasn't she the one who pleaded with DJY to save Geom a while back?
Just seems like inconsistent writing.
And Mogae (is that his name?) goes from Kaigu's right hand man to Geom's aide? i find it strange that the Balhae are letting that happen. i know Mogae is loyal to the entire family (even trying to protect them from each other at times), but seems strange that he wasn't executed.
He's supposed to go against Li Wen next episode....Geom should win, but you never know with Li Wen.
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Post by MTR on Feb 14, 2008 16:49:21 GMT -5
I am making a guess look at the real Gulsabiwu he was DJS's right hand and the same age ,but here for some reason the script writers have omitted Joyoung's younger brother who was his right hand ,so im guessing that the writers just merged the real Biwu and Dae jr into the same character . Onto Geom the real DJY had a younger son that went over to Tang so maybe this is where Geom will go .
In Jumong there was a huge flap because Sosunho and her two sons fled Koguryo because they feared that Yuri the son of Jumong from his first wife would kill them at Jumong's death .The real Sosunho had been a huge prop to Jumong and instrumental in the foundation of Koguryo only to have his Puyo wife turn up with Jumongs lost son ,as such they left in fear of their lives and would found Baekje . The depiction in the tv series was far from what happened and many people were very upset with the historical jiggling the facts which did not help the series some what dubious reputation . With DJY though we all know Geom is fictional and historicaly what will happen ,i doubt they (KBS )would dare to kill him off because with a death toll of so many popular characters and given that Geom is almost as popular as DJY it would just be too much for the audience to accept .
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Post by MTR on Feb 14, 2008 17:01:34 GMT -5
Whoops !!yes i know Geom is the oldest son but things like that dont bother writers .
Onto Suk im liking her now ,she has sense ..you see her raising her eyebrows when DJS manages to get captured a frequent bad habit of his . she advocates getting rid of the Khitan's before they cause trouble . She seems firm and strong in area's where DJY wavers . She is a lot more instrumental in holding things together than given credit for . The Khitan's helped destroy Koguryo and have never shown gratitude or been good allies . She is right not to want any Khitans merging with the Koguryo Bloodline . Khitans have caused her nothing but pain and misery .
So lets not be hard on her she has every reason in the world not to trust these people who have bitten the hand that feeds . I used to be a big Suk critic even called her a Dark Ages Doormat i take it all back .
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Post by jochicago on Feb 15, 2008 16:03:50 GMT -5
I don't think SukYoung's behavior is inconsistent. She wanted DJY to save Geom's life because she knew he would never be able to forgive himself if he let his own son die. That's a big difference from being willing to let that son supplant her own son on the throne.
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