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Post by jinju0 on Feb 5, 2008 23:02:52 GMT -5
LETS HEAR IT FOR THE GREATEST WARRIOR OF GOGURYEO! he was amazing. what a guy. he will be missed. i know that he will be looking down on DJY and everyone.
by the way, why do they always show DJY's guys being surrounded and cut , jabbed at like a wild animal. and when DJY's guys get to kill one of the Tang guys, they just pick them off. i wonder what is in store for Li Kaigu, now that he has no men left. you know Shin Hong won't help him.
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Post by ajk on Feb 6, 2008 22:44:08 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more, jinju0. It's a good thing there are only four episodes left because for me he was the glue that kept the whole thing from turning completely comic-book-ish. He was the one connection left to the Yeon Gaesomun/Yang Manchun generation, before the series started taking all of its weird turns. It's going to be very odd not having his presence looming over everyone.
And I did like his death scene. The quick flashback to Bu Jigwang reversing his sword right before DJS did the same thing, that may have been the best edit in the series. Very moving and symbolic, and it was so quick that it was very effective. And the scene showed that DJS really was a sharp thinker, although his character was more of the tough old warhorse type. He was thinking step-for-step with Shin Hong on the impact his death would have. The only thing I didn't like about it was that his death turned out to be unnecessary. If he had known the Mohe army was on its way, he never would have had to sacrifice himself. Why couldn't they have come up with a scenario that didn't end up being unnecessary? But that aside, he went out fighting and I liked that.
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Post by jochicago on Feb 7, 2008 10:28:43 GMT -5
I don't think DJS' death was unnecessary. It inspired DJY's warriors to fight with rage, becoming "messengers of death." Without that rage, they might not have lasted until the Mohe army arrived. Instead, they slaughtered the enemy in the vally while the Mohes captured the camp.
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Post by carla4100 on Feb 7, 2008 14:35:13 GMT -5
Replying on Episode 129 or 130. First of all sometimes you have to love the one you with. Look at the case. The man Chulin really loves she can't have. She might not have loved Li-Hago in the beginning but after all he did save her from embarrasement. I do agree it was wrong to keep DJY son away from him. DJY put everything on the line for his country. Rememer he told Chulin to come with him and she got off the boat and turned her back on her country. Now look the shoe is on the other foot. Now he cares for his country so much that nothing else matters not even Chulin feelings. What if Li-Hago asked DJY can he turn his back on his country like Chulin did he would probably say no. I can understand why she is hurt because look at what she did to her people for the love of a man. I think Chulin as accepted the truth that her and DJY do not have a future because he is a married man. It has to hurt her seeing him married to someone else. I think Chulin died of a broken heart and did not want to live anymore. So she figures I might as well go ahead with Li-Hago and try to be a wife to him, because she has nothing to loose.
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Post by ajk on Feb 7, 2008 17:57:43 GMT -5
If it had been known that the Mohe were on their way, and if Mimosa could have given DJS good news about that instead of bad news, I think the whole thing would have played out differently. DJS sacrificed himself because he said he saw no other option. Certainly the whole Goguryean army wouldn't have been in the valley for the exchange if they knew they could fight a delaying strategy and wait for help. DJS might have died in the planned Tang attack, but I doubt he would have sacrificed himself.
Actually (and this may make people uncomfortable), DJY deserves his share of the blame for it all by not sending Gulsabiwu (or at least Goem) to the Mohe right off the bat. Get it done right the first time and this whole thing never happens.
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Post by midwestmom on Feb 12, 2008 11:45:39 GMT -5
This must have been quite a physical project for all the actors, especially the actor playing DJS. I realize that they used stunt doubles, fake swords, etc., but there was still a lot of jumping, running, horseback riding, and fighting. Obviously, many actors turn down the historical dramas because they require quite of bit of activity.
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Post by MTR on Feb 14, 2008 17:20:12 GMT -5
I have a separate post where i lay out how DJS has done more harm than good .
As a person he is great but my critique is just from a strategic point .
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Post by Nalbal on Feb 18, 2008 20:16:15 GMT -5
This was a hard episode for me to watch... I have grown fond of the father-son relationship between DJS and DJY, and it was pretty tragic to see DJS sacrifice himself as he did. The flashbacks of him with a young DJY were wonderful... I can hardly believe the old Gorgureon bull is gone. As a male family member of mine remarked... all the weeping and wailing that went on in this episode over DJS's death was enough to wake the dead!
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Post by sageuk on Mar 17, 2019 14:48:45 GMT -5
So I recently purchased a book called "A New History of Parhae" and finally actually found episodes of DJY to watch. In regards to Dae Jungsang's death, there's a pretty glaring difference between what was recorded in history and in the drama. You may or may not find this funny.
The historical Dae Jungsang, or Geolgeol Jungsang as he is written in the book, apparently died of an illness before Dae Jo Yeong engaged with Li Kaigu in battle.
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Post by ajk on Mar 18, 2019 11:55:06 GMT -5
If only that were the biggest fiction in this series. If only.
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