Post by tinkerbell on Apr 25, 2008 18:10:16 GMT -5
Hi jojo. I was on this morning but didn't have time to write anything. I noticed the last few episodes had a few problems and last night the picture went black for a few seconds.
What a dilemma. DJY loves Geom but Geom is loyal to Li Kaigu. I think the only way they could have a relationship is if LK dies at the hands of someone else other than DJY or any of his men. I understand that Geom feels that way and if DJY did kill Kaigu, Geom would hate him.
Personally I don't think LK will drink the poison. Even though he loathes the thought of being executed by DJY, I can't see him doing it. Maybe if Chulin and Geom were dead he would. He said all he had left were the two most important things, Chulin and Geom. His thinking is twisted. Khitan fell because Kaigu attacked the Goguyeoans, not the other way around.
Hopefully this time won't be a disaster. DJY's men can see the picture more clearly without any emotions fogging their thinking. Hopefully it's the right decision. This situation has affected everyone. I can only imagine how Sukyoung feels. She is not a mean woman and it must be difficult knowing the truth and seeing the trouble it's causing. I don't feel she is jealous of Chulin and that's why she wants them to leave. I agree with her when she said we've done all we can for you. I wouldn't trust the Khitans now either.
I have no idea what Biwu meant when he said "it's the warriors wish". I was hoping they'd explain that. It must have something to do with whatever he whispered in DJY's ear.
Last Edit: Apr 25, 2008 18:12:54 GMT -5 by tinkerbell
Ep 118 That’s an excellent word to describe DJY’s reaction to Geom: a dilemma. The dilemma is played out with all kinds of machinations to get Geom into a position to say goodby to LK and accept DJY, as happened in tonight’s episode. Though at the end, DJY goes after LK, so who knows how Geom will react to that…
LK is twisted in both his thinking (lack of logic) and his memory (seive-like). He thinks he lost Geom to DJY. What about Geom’s heroic efforts to get into the fort to be with him?! If he had lost Geom to DJY, Geom would have never, ever done that!! Why doesn’t LK realize that? He is so pathetic. What’s with throwing the daggers at Geom?!?!?!? I feel so bad for Geom with how LK is treating him. LK is all about LK.
Every time someone has a conversation about Geom’s real father, I have to smile because it’s funny how everyone already knows, but they don’t all know it yet. I guess it will finally end when DJY and Geom reveal to each other that they already know.
Yes, it must be hard for Sukyoung. So far she is taking the high road, keeping focused on the task of starting a new nation. Nice to see someone not succumbing to emotional turmoil. I wonder how his sons feel? We haven't seen to much of Dan lately.
I noticed also the video problems. Seems like the show was originally set up for a half hour, and they've not been fusing them together too well.
Post by tinkerbell on Apr 26, 2008 10:45:00 GMT -5
It seems Sukyoung, Mimosa, Biwu, Sudol and everyone else in the fort sees the big picture except DJY. No way was Li Kaigu sincere when he vowed loyalty to DJY. Of all people DJY should know this because he did it himself vowing loyalty to Tang many years back. I'm afraid his poor judgment is going to come back to haunt him.
Li Kaigu is pathetic and an ingrate and so are his men. I understand he's a warrior and he's ambitious and he wants to be a leader not a follower. How could he chose to go to Xue Rengui ? He must have a very short memory. He apparently forgot he and his men were about to be executed by XR and the Turks. This isn't the first time either. Just one instance was the prisoner exchange, Li Kaigu for Li Wen. How many times had Tang betrayed the Khitans. You'd have to be stupid to not know the Turks brought down Yingzhou on the orders of the Emperor of Tang. Yet he and the Khitans blame DJY and the Goguryeoans. DUH!!!
How could LK walk away from Geom when he was crying his eyes out and begging LK not to leave? Throwing the daggers at Geom was crazy. One minute he's teary eyed over Geom and the next minute all he wants is the fulfillment of his hopes and dreams. Yes, if it wasn't for Geom and DJY, he'd already be dead.
Finally Kaigu remembers he was born a Goguryeoan, not that it's going to change anything.
It was nice seeing Mimosa putting the screws to Shin Hong and saying "don't give any advice unless I ask for it". ;D SH is used to bossing everyone else around.
So DJY is going after LK and vows to kill him. How many times have we heard that before.
Last Edit: Apr 26, 2008 10:48:01 GMT -5 by tinkerbell
Somebody please tell me if sticking with this drama is worth it.
At first, DJY had me hypnotized. It was sooo good! But now, we are only up to Ep. 97/98 here in NY and I'm groaning. We get it twice a week so, judging from the spoilers, it's going to be like, YEARS until the good stuff starts again, if ever.
Tinkerbell and I like to gripe about LK's personality (and SH too), but I wouldn't want his character to be written differently (at least not too much ). The world has seen many leaders who operate based on their egos, and I think LK is one of them. As the series has progressed, I see LK slowly losing his grip on reality. His treatment of Chulin and Geom is incongruous, and his idea of going back to XR is crazy. DJY, DJS and company have had to overcome many obstacles and diversions to start a new country, and it looks like the final obstacle is going to be Li Kaigu.
I love the show. I've been watching since episode 56 and will continue to the end.
Hmmmm.... I found this episode hughly disappointing. How can we forget DJY's words about chasing LK to the ends of the earth? And they just give up? That makes DJY's words meaningless. LK first had to get out of Liaodong, and cross the Liaodong River. Then when DJY runs in to question Chulin on where LK was going... well where else could he go but Yingzhou?! DJY even says the same to Chulin when she wants to leave!
Unfortunately that set the tone for the rest of the episode, and put me in a mood where many of the scenes were unbelievable and the characters, out-of-character.
Sukyoung and Li Wen are the only ones getting things straight. DJY should never have accepted Chulin & Geom, and never, ever have accepted LK (that one defies logic). And XR should have sent LK's head to the Emporer.
I agree jojo. Are we supposed to believe these men were famous generals? I'm so tired of these ridiculous situations and constantly changing sides. Yes, Xue Rengui should have sent Kaigu's head to the Emperor. Even if he waited untill LK and SH gave them the information about the Gogureoans ready to declare a new state. XR said "how many times have you betrayed me"? Why did they act so surprised anyway? It's not new information, everyone knew this is what DJY and the Goguryeoans were planning.
Li Kaigu is such a pompous a**!!! "There is only one man who can contend with DJY" and then he gouges his eye out!!!!! Well that should make him a more formidable enemy. After all, one eye is better than two, right. That should give him a better perspective on things. I can't believe Xue Rengui fell for it and is even considering giving him an army. Unbelievable!!! I can't even fathom how ludicrous this is. Li Wen should have killed LK and SH.
Why would you keep trusting people that betray you over and over again? That goes for everybody, the Goguryeoans, Tang Chinese, Khitans and the Turks.
DJY's bad decisions are going to come back and bite him. Unfortunately the Goguryeoans are probably going to be the ones to suffer. Why doesn't he listen to Sukyoung and Mimosa? Even Sudol and Gaepil know what they should do.
Of course Shin Hong takes matters into his own hands and burns Kaigu's letter to Chulin and Geom. Actually LK even writing and wanting to send it was crazy.
The Khitans are ingrates and delusional. Geom was the only one who said the Tang Chinese and the Turks were the ones responsible for the fall of Khitan not DJY. Apparently they forget that they were instrumental in the fall of Goguryeo. I wonder what Geom is going to do? He doesn't have to listen to the people just because they want to rise up. I hope he does the right thing. Why isn't Chulin speaking up? She's supposed to be the leader now.
BTW, in the last few episodes Auhong's face looks rounder as if she gained weight. I wonder if she's pregnant?
Last Edit: May 2, 2008 11:25:53 GMT -5 by tinkerbell
Ep 120 A much improved episode. For starters, I like how the scenes are connected for longer periods of time: much less jumping around, more connection and better flow of the story lines. Geom stays true to his promise to DJY (and to his character) says the right things to the Khitans. Good arguments by Geom, reminding DJY how the Khitans helped the Gorguyeoans when they were in dire need. As Mim said later - Geom's potential is much greater than I imagined.
Good scenes in Chang'an. Xue Rengui gets what he wants and even out-maneuvers Yang X. Loved the Emporer's line "You are repulsively arrogant!" to LK. Even after SH tells him that the Emporer will eventually have him eliminated, he claims he will just packup and take the Khitans, not to Yingzhou, but to Mt Dongmo! Repulsively arrogant indeed.
Will SH's lies to LK about the letter to Chulin catch up to him?!?!? I hope so!
I was glad to hear what Geom said to the Khitans. I would have been very disappointed in him if he went along with the rebellion. I hope the Khitans and Goguryeoans can keep an alliance and help each other as they did before.
LK is repulsively arrogant indeed. He was ordering everyone around as if he was the only one in charge of the Tang forces. I wonder if the Tang soldiers will succeed in killing him as they were plotting. I still can't believe they are taking the chance and trusting LK.
Why didn't LK get mad at Shin Hong about that letter? Now Chulin and Geom are in danger because they weren't warned.
Last Edit: May 5, 2008 11:06:28 GMT -5 by tinkerbell
Ep 120 It was cool to see Geom suddenly catapulted to leader of the refugee Khitans. Back when the Khan was getting ready to announce his successor, I kept wondering if Geom would be named, or if he would have the chance at succession if Chulin was named. Back then, only Khan, Geom and Chulin were interested in the alliance. Interesting to see it come full circle, with Geom agreeing to the alliance, and also becoming the Khitan's leader.
Geom mentioned a few episodes back that he could not have two fathers, just like there cannot be two suns in the sky. I see it another way, using a sword for analogy. LK raising Geom represents the raw material of the sword, being hammered into shape; DJY represents honing of the blade to it's completion. LK said to Geom: be another LK. That would be disasterous. Geom respects LK in raising him, but needs to put aside absolute loyalty to LK, so Geom can move on to become a better leader. It seems like he is taking those steps, when he did not go with LK, but so far it's been a gradual process.
Ep 121 Oh-ho!! LK surprised me! I thought he was going to take LW's troops and chase after DJY, not murder Yang X and his retinue. LK's belief in his invincibility has no limits. The Emporer would send the entire Tang civilization after him for an act like that.
SH's really skating on thin ice, lying to his master, ordering the killing of Geom. One of these days LK will find out. Can't wait for that.
Geom's loyalty to LK is getting weaker and weaker. His words to Jitou & cohort were pretty clear; no doubt LK will not hear them.
I was happy to see Geom turn down the proposal set forth by Shin Hong and ask DJY to order the Khitan army to be disbanded. How long is SH going to get away with his shenanigans? I hope Li Kaigu finds out he ordered Geom to be killed. SH conveniently leaves out the part that Geom killed their men because SH sent them to murder him.
I'm disappointed in Chulin. Yes she realized it was most likely Shin Hong's plan and not LK, but to tell Geom not to pursue the spies? I thought she was so protective of Geom. Regardless of who gave the order, they just tried to kill her son.
You know Kaigu's plan is to go after DJY after he takes care of General Yang and his men. LK kneeling before Yang and being scoffed at, shows the depth of his hatred for DJY to endure that ridicule to have the troops deployed. Of course that doesn't compare to the eye gouging. Xue Rengui tells LK to ask Li Wen for any soldiers he needs and bring back news of victory. I wonder how he will feel once he finds out Kaigu drugged Li Wen.
I'm curious to see if Geom and Li Kaigu come face to face in the battle. That would be a complicated situation.
Last Edit: May 9, 2008 13:59:05 GMT -5 by tinkerbell