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Post by ajk on Jul 10, 2007 12:08:58 GMT -5
Was it just me, or did anybody else think it was pretty despicable the way that Mimosa conned the Turkic tribe into fighting and gave them nothing in return? We're supposed to be rooting for these poor desperate Goguryeans and admiring their honorable quest in the face of the evil tyrant Tang. But that really was a sleazy thing to do. (I know, Mimosa is from Baekje, but that's beside the point.)
Maybe there's an unrevealed plan to make things right with them down the road. There better be.
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Post by kathleen34 on Jul 10, 2007 12:49:49 GMT -5
I'm with you ajk. After all, Wolf lost some very valued fighters and was willing to work with Sodul and Mimosa. I thought that Mimosa alluded to doing something with Wolf. I've really enjoyed the character, Mimosa. And when he wa so generous in his offer to Wolf I thought he was putting the greater good before monetary gain.  |
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Post by JP Paulus on Jul 10, 2007 14:06:03 GMT -5
Well....maybe he has other non TSL resources available, and had the Wolf been more honorable, Mimosa would have given him something.
i doubt Mimosa would have left all the money at TSL, but instead invested elsewhere, in another venture.
Despite TSL being destroyed, he didn't seem to worry about money.
But have we heard the last of the Wolf? And more important -- how does DJY get out of it.
And most important , can we include episode #'s in our posts...we have some people lagging behind (especially the upcoming AZN'ers), so it would help them (and those like me who are recording) to know which messages to skip & which to read.
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Post by Nalbal on Jul 10, 2007 19:43:40 GMT -5
However, I couldn't help laughing when I saw that scene.  The wolf asks Mimosa and Gulsabiwu to keep everything a secret, and Gulsabiwu's first reaction is "Not for free we are!" Lol, I love that guy. Maybe the wolf was "conned", but I have to agree with JP...had he been more honorable, I don't think Mimosa and 'biwu would've taken the money right back. I think, considering that fair man he his, Mimosa would've let the wolf keep the money if he hadn't tried to snatch it from them like he did. |
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Post by zorro on Jul 10, 2007 23:04:28 GMT -5
However, I couldn't help laughing when I saw that scene. The wolf asks Mimosa and Gulsabiwu to keep everything a secret, and Gulsabiwu's first reaction is "Not for free we are!" Lol, I love that guy. I lol when Gulsa snatched the money bag back as "hush money". Wolfman got *exactly* what he deserved and is totally to blame for his own greed. Too bad, so sad.  After Mimosa's constant matching of wits with the likes of Xue Rengui and Shin Hong, Wolfman must have been child's play. |
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Post by ajk on Jul 11, 2007 11:34:29 GMT -5
Whether or not the Wolf was greedy and tried to exploit things later on, the fact remains that they made a deal at the beginning of it all and allowed the guy to believe that the tribe's labor would be rewarded. They knew they only had that little sack of coins, and they conned him. Not exactly heroic behavior.
JP, forgive me for not including an epidose number--but the correct number is 69, not 70. Might want to fix that. Monday was 69, Tuesday was 70.
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Post by JP Paulus on Jul 11, 2007 14:39:42 GMT -5
ajk, Thanks for setting me straight on the ep #'s! As for the Con (not the Khan!  ) , i still believe they had more resources available, and if the Wolf hadn't betrayed them, the Turks would have something rather than nothing. Anyway, they didn't totally hold up their deal either, right? Dae Jo Young was captured -- unforeseen circumstances, but there's some wiggle room, i think. |
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Post by ajk on Jul 15, 2007 15:32:35 GMT -5
Well, I’m willing to wait and see what happens—give them time to prove me wrong. But whether or not DJY was captured, they obviously didn’t show up with a big chunk of money in the first place to honor the implied deal.
Anyway, since I’m blurring the whole good-guy/bad-guy thing here, there are two other things that somebody ought to mention before they fade.
1. Monday (69), Li Wen has all of the prisoners and Xue Rengui wants them. Li tells him he can have Bojang and that’s all, and take the deal and leave. Xue says okay, I’ll take it, “Because I’m the bigger man.” And he does. Doesn’t throw a temper tantrum, doesn’t scream, doesn’t pull out the sword and hack anybody up. He takes the best deal he can get and leaves to fight another day. Wow, has he changed. That “I’m the bigger man” line was very cool (and true). I guess our little general is really growing up.
2. Tuesday (70), the scene with the Khitans and the empress has got to be one of the best scenes in the whole series so far. Big, big, big-time credit to Li Kaigu. When he pulled out that letter I went bananas. Anybody remember that letter? That was the letter that Xue Rengui requested and got from the empress to convince the Khitans to fight for Tang in the first place. We haven’t seen that letter since episode 15! At least ten years had passed, maybe fifteen. And Li pulls it out, basically throws it in the empress’ face and says When are we going to get Yingzhou, and if you don’t give it to us I’ll be your enemy for life! Geez, what cojones. You have to respect a character who does that. DJY gave an earful to the Shilla king once, but this was even braver because the empress would have squashed him and the whole tribe if he had so much as annoyed her. How can you dislike a guy who gives the big cheese an earful like that? (Plus, I’m glad that the writers remembered the letter. Stuff like that is a nice payoff for viewers who stick with the series.)
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Post by JP Paulus on Jul 15, 2007 17:16:24 GMT -5
i think it shows some of our "villains" have some things to admire
Xue Rengui has always shown loyalty and/or respect to people who have shown him they deserve it -- the former Chinese Emperor & the Empress, Li Kaigu, even Bojang. This act bumps him up a bit -- plus i think there's more to come from him.
Li Kaigu has become a much stronger leader, which i think we will see later on. It's interesting to see hwat roles he'll play in the series later on.
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The wolf asks Mimosa and Gulsabiwu to keep everything a secret, and Gulsabiwu's first reaction is "Not for free we are!" Lol, I love that guy.
) , i still believe they had more resources available, and if the Wolf hadn't betrayed them, the Turks would have something rather than nothing. Anyway, they didn't totally hold up their deal either, right? Dae Jo Young was captured -- unforeseen circumstances, but there's some wiggle room, i think.