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Post by ajk on Feb 9, 2007 13:42:01 GMT -5
I’ve seen this mentioned briefly on other threads, but I figured I'd stick my neck out and start a thread so that everyone can air it out about this Chulin business.
As much as I’ve been enjoying the show, and as much as I look forward to each episode, I have to admit that the constant involvement of Chulin into so much of what’s going on is starting to bug me a bit. I understand and appreciate the desire to have a strong woman character in the series, and to some extent she’s a very interesting character. But isn’t it getting just a little far-fetched how she just keeps showing up point-blank right in front of DJY, time after time, episode after episode? It’s fictionalized, I know, but I wish this angle were a little more plausible.
(minor episode 26 spoiler in the next paragraph)
And it’s also starting to make DJY look bad. Think about it. DJY knows, among other things, that Chulin was headed to the Tang naval supply depots to help deliver top-secret war plans. And he knows she was part of the attempt to kill Namseng. So then he gets a glimpse of her in the temple complex and realizes that she’s the injured woman who’s being tended to by a princess of the kingdom—and he walks away and leaves her there?! Wouldn’t anybody with half a brain, much less a great hero like DJY, instantly realize that the princess could have been in mortal danger? I’d think that anybody responsible for security who walked away from such a situation involving a royal family member would be executed ASAP. DJY is really going to risk all that, for a woman who wants to destroy his kingdom?
Maybe I’m just being too critical, but I’d be very interested in hearing what others think. From other threads I know that there are diverse views about it.
P.S. Sure hope Yeon Namsan shows up. He was supposed to be “on his way” several episodes ago (where’s he coming from, Iceland?). From what little I know about the relevant history, I’d expect him to turn up eventually. Things will REALLY get interesting if and when he enters the picture.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Feb 9, 2007 17:34:19 GMT -5
I was surprised that he went back to town after telling the princess that he'd be right outside. It's kind of confusing the way day turns to night so quickly - he did go back but was it the same night or not? Then he acted like he was leaving but hid and so caught Chulin walking away. She could have taken the princess hostage. Anyway, why hide in expectation that Chulin would try to leave THAT night? The first son did go to the temple and the assassins attacked, and the second son was manipulated into going somewhere else "because your brother is trying to kill you"-the dummy. Or did he go and see the signs of the attack on his brother and have the plotters tell him it was his brother's plot on him? I should probably not be on the internet while watching.
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Post by Truth on Feb 9, 2007 18:24:17 GMT -5
I’ve seen this mentioned briefly on other threads, but I figured I'd stick my neck out and start a thread so that everyone can air it out about this Chulin business. As much as I’ve been enjoying the show, and as much as I look forward to each episode, I have to admit that the constant involvement of Chulin into so much of what’s going on is starting to bug me a bit. I understand and appreciate the desire to have a strong woman character in the series, and to some extent she’s a very interesting character. But isn’t it getting just a little far-fetched how she just keeps showing up point-blank right in front of DJY, time after time, episode after episode? It’s fictionalized, I know, but I wish this angle were a little more plausible. (minor episode 26 spoiler in the next paragraph) And it’s also starting to make DJY look bad. Think about it. DJY knows, among other things, that Chulin was headed to the Tang naval supply depots to help deliver top-secret war plans. And he knows she was part of the attempt to kill Namseng. So then he gets a glimpse of her in the temple complex and realizes that she’s the injured woman who’s being tended to by a princess of the kingdom—and he walks away and leaves her there?! Wouldn’t anybody with half a brain, much less a great hero like DJY, instantly realize that the princess could have been in mortal danger? I’d think that anybody responsible for security who walked away from such a situation involving a royal family member would be executed ASAP. DJY is really going to risk all that, for a woman who wants to destroy his kingdom? Maybe I’m just being too critical, but I’d be very interested in hearing what others think. From other threads I know that there are diverse views about it. P.S. Sure hope Yeon Namsan shows up. He was supposed to be “on his way?several episodes ago (where’s he coming from, Iceland?). From what little I know about the relevant history, I’d expect him to turn up eventually. Things will REALLY get interesting if and when he enters the picture. um, I don't know if this is a spoiler or not. But Yeon Namsan, the third son of Yeon Gae So Moon, never makes an appearance in this drama. The narrator does mention that Namsan spent most days of the year at home due to the disease he had been infected.
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Post by zorro on Feb 10, 2007 9:08:46 GMT -5
I was surprised that he went back to town after telling the princess that he'd be right outside. It's kind of confusing the way day turns to night so quickly - he did go back but was it the same night or not? Then he acted like he was leaving but hid and so caught Chulin walking away. She could have taken the princess hostage. Anyway, why hide in expectation that Chulin would try to leave THAT night? . You took the words right off my page… ha. I was going to mention how Chulin is conflicted and keeps squandwering her opportunities against her sworn enemies. Case in point is the chance to kidnap or do harm to Sukyeong… however I dismissed that as her injury causing her to be too weak to overpower even the slight Princess. I thought I counted 2 days and 2 nights since Dae was asked to stay and protect the Princess, and he was back in town the whole time that I could tell. You're exactly right how darkness falls so quickly, usually the time it takes to ride a horse somewhwere. As far as Captain Dae's timing, he seems to have this uncanny (extra sensory even) timing that puts him just where he needs to be at any given moment. Bu Kiwon and several others have expressed their disbelief that DJ has thwarted their best laid plans. How does he do it?? I think it must be the writers.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Feb 10, 2007 17:04:19 GMT -5
Or his superior intellect and imperial energy? ;D
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Post by BungalowDweller on Feb 10, 2007 22:09:55 GMT -5
The entire Chulin subplot is simply not believable. There is no reason to believe that DJY would be all that involved with this woman. Enough already.
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Post by Alexa on Feb 11, 2007 18:33:15 GMT -5
I really don't like the fact that Dae JoYoung is in love with Chulin. I mean, how long did he know her before they started liking each other? Not even a day? I agree with Gulbasiwu (I'm almost sure I'm spelling his name wrong), she is only going to get in the way. He is putting her in front of his loyalty to his country. He knows that she was one of the assassins that planned to kill Yeon Geosumun, yet he still lets her live. is her character even based on a real person?
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Post by sunmoon on Feb 12, 2007 4:41:41 GMT -5
Hi! I missed the first few episodes of this really great show! From internet search, it seems the character was based on a real person who bore DJY a son. Ya, but sometimes watching the show I feel like giving her a great big shake too!
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Post by BAE on Feb 12, 2007 11:05:12 GMT -5
Truth, in a thread that's now locked (the YGSM thread), said that Chulin was not a real person in history.
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Post by sunmoon on Feb 12, 2007 20:21:56 GMT -5
One rainy afternoon I took shelter in the library & read up on Dae Geol Jungsang, Joyong, Li Khaigu, Yeon Gaesomun, Geom Mojam and Heuk Sa-Byul. The one I didn't find mention of was the princess who in this show eventually marries our hero. What was written about Chulin was just 2/3 lines and I remember it was not spelt as Chulin. Just the reference to who her Dad was and the father of her illegitimate son that I guessed it was Chulin.
When I have time, I will go check it out again. The show is soo interesting, I really want to know what happened in history!
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Post by BAE on Feb 12, 2007 22:24:46 GMT -5
Is it me, or was today's episode dedicated to Chulin? What is it with the men in these dramas having no backbone? Can't he tell her to get lost? I like Gulsabiwu, once he makes a stance, he STICKS to it. He knows where his loyalty lies, to his country and Namseng (even if he doesn't like him).
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Post by zorro on Feb 13, 2007 10:26:41 GMT -5
Ha. Quite the coincidence with this thread and her airtime in last night's episode. I guess too much isn't enough. Who can explain why she and DJ are the way they act? If they are in "love", maybe that's why they aren't making any sense. And I can't ever remember a woman calling me a "wretched bastard" and then kissing me! Imperial energy indeed. She actually looked happy when she came back to the camp with the ducks she caught. It's the only time she's appeared happy the whole series. And after DJ has Gulsa (I like him too) do his dirty work, she looks crestfallen. But even after 3 people (Sukyeong really stepped up!) save her life and give her a horse to escape back to her tribe, she stops and turns back! So despite all her bravado and protests, it would appear she just can't take no for an answer.
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Post by BAE on Feb 13, 2007 11:00:42 GMT -5
I missed a few scenes from the episode's beginning. Could anyone give me a slight recap?
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Post by zorro on Feb 13, 2007 12:21:20 GMT -5
I may not remember it all, but DJ carries Chulin back to her sick bed in the temple and asks Sukyeong if she would care for her as a personal request from him. Sukyeong agrees, but is bothered that he would ask her to care for a Tang spy. DJ leaves to return to the fort, and when Chulin wakes up and see SY she thinks she's dreamed it all.
SY asks Chulin why she didn't reveal that she knew DJ, and that if eyes are the mirror of the soul, then DJ has Chulin in his heart. SY is clearly bothered by this, but because DJ saved her life twice, she will honor his request and her debt will be paid.
Meanwhile Namgeom overpowers Namseng's fort and puts everyone including DJ and the civil officials under arrest. The only one to escape is Gulsabiwu, who bides his time, and just at the right moment, creates a diversion to free DJ and escape on horseback presumably to go warn Namseng.
DJ however can't leave without saving Chulin and maybe even Sukyeong who have been ordered to be killed by Namgeom. Miraculously they show up just in time to thwart Sa Bagu?? from carrying out Chulin's execution. This was immediately after Sukyeong risked her own life to allow Chulin to make her escape in the forest. As Sukyeong follows the chase to see what has happened, she arrives just in time to see DJ and Gulsa make off with Chulin and ride away. She looks distraught, as it's clear DJ and Chulin have a connection she covets.
I probably got some of the names wrong, but you get the idea.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Feb 13, 2007 17:50:42 GMT -5
zorro, she looked very happy and carefree. Not to mention vigorous-she ran fast and light and painfree. How'd that happen? Nice scene, anyway. (And Joyoung peeking out from behind the tree, awww.)
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