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Post by korean p on Jan 15, 2007 10:12:40 GMT -5
all goguryo dramas, chumong, yongaesomun, etc is prohibited in china.it's becuz their northern theory.but chinese people watch dramas in warez download.
if chinese claim that goguryo is their hystory, then koreans can acclaim that china is from korea. the ching dynasty of china was manchurians from yalu river(the northern border of korea).the ancestor of ching dynasty was from korean "hambo".it's becuz manchuria is just next of korean peninsula, manchurian and koreans married a lot with them from old times. In this drama you also see the manchurian malgal people "gulsabiu" who helps daejoyoung.7th century manchurians and koreans were in same nation, becuz goguryo also ruled manchuria(the root place of korea)
the chinese word "dongyi=east barbarians" contains koreans,manchurians and japanese. the difference is between japanese and koreans is that japananese race contains polynesian blood at least 30 percents. (and southern chinese blood 30 %) but old korean nobilities conquered japanese natives and built japanese kingdoms, so language is similar(even though alpabet letters re totally different.). in japanese regime, korean illeteracy rate was 78 %(surveyed in 1948).it was higher than those of colonies in africa, even though hangeul is the easiest letter in the world. even though, a lot of japanese say ,still now, japan modernized korea.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 15, 2007 17:22:23 GMT -5
What language was taught in the schools during Japanese occupation? Who was allowed to go to school?
In a novel, I read that Korean people had to have Japanese names during the occupation. I wonder if they tried to wipe out Korean heritage. The novel said people had to cut down their Rose of Sharon trees, the national tree of Korea. (The novel is a children's book, When My Name Was Keoko, by Linda Sue Park.)
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Post by korean p on Jan 15, 2007 19:47:42 GMT -5
japanese occupation was 1910-1945. 1941-1945 korean language was prohibited in school.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 17, 2007 16:22:10 GMT -5
We have an old encyclopedia, published in 1953. It show photos of Korean life, in the countryside, and says most people are peasants/farmers. (As I remember it, anyway.) It wasn't too modern therefore, at the time Japanese occupation ended.
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Post by korean p on Jan 18, 2007 19:37:12 GMT -5
elementary school compulsory education in japan was from 1886. but it was not in colonized korea. that's why in japanese regime, korean illeteracy rate was 78 %(surveyed in 1948).it was higher than those of colonies in africa, even though hangeul is the easiest letter in the world.
after liberation in 1950's(even at that time korean was an agri-cultural country), in behalf of korean government, illeteracy rate was under 20%.
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Post by Cheonson on Jan 25, 2007 20:35:06 GMT -5
all goguryo dramas, chumong, yongaesomun, etc is prohibited in china.it's becuz their northern theory.but chinese people watch dramas in warez download. if chinese claim that goguryo is their hystory, then koreans can acclaim that china is from korea. the ching dynasty of china was manchurians from yalu river(the northern border of korea).the ancestor of ching dynasty was from korean "hambo".it's becuz manchuria is just next of korean peninsula, manchurian and koreans married a lot with them from old times. In this drama you also see the manchurian malgal people "gulsabiu" who helps daejoyoung.7th century manchurians and koreans were in same nation, becuz goguryo also ruled manchuria(the root place of korea) the chinese word "dongyi=east barbarians" contains koreans,manchurians and japanese. the difference is between japanese and koreans is that japananese race contains polynesian blood at least 30 percents. (and southern chinese blood 30 %) but old korean nobilities conquered japanese natives and built japanese kingdoms, so language is similar(even though alpabet letters re totally different.). in japanese regime, korean illeteracy rate was 78 %(surveyed in 1948).it was higher than those of colonies in africa, even though hangeul is the easiest letter in the world. even though, a lot of japanese say ,still now, japan modernized korea. The founder of Kim(or Kum)dynasty and Ching(or Cheong) dynasty are descendants of Shilla. After the fall of Shilla, some of royal family members had moved to manchuria and there built their first dynasty, Kim, the country of Kim(Korean family name). They worshiped Koryeo and Josun as their mother countries. According to what I have heard from someone, the founder of Ching dynasty claimed that he himself is a lord of Dongyi which is to refer to Koreans, Manchurians and Mongolians. Dongyi(Koreans, manchurians and Mongolians) dosen't have anything to do with ancient Chinese. Actually DongYi doesn't mean barbarians. Dongyi means the people who are excel at archery. That is why the ancient character of Yi (DongYi), ì¨, consists of great(ÓÞ) and bow(Ïá). Also since a bow was very important and meaningful thing for ancient Koreans, they made the word 'coldole' ðÀ that consists of a bow(Ïá) and a arrow (l). If you ever see the Korean funeral in dramas or in real, you could see the picket on which has the character ðÀ (a bow + a arrow) . According to Korean historians, Josun court and Ching court conversed without interpreters. The two languages have the same word order too.
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Post by korean p on Jan 27, 2007 7:00:21 GMT -5
the official hystoryÐÝÞÈ about kim dynasty in china wrote that . east,south,west,north barbarians.ì¨îÚØÁëÔ mogols re north barbarians , vietanams re south barbarians,japan,korea,manchurians re east barbarians. their ancestor came from silla of koryo, but didnt mention royal family of silla. most chinese official hystories divided foreign tribes to four groups manchurian language is altaic language.that is very similar to mogol langue.this is wide accepted opinion.i learned a manchurian class in college one year and i know japnese languge also.
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Post by korean p on Jan 27, 2007 7:04:23 GMT -5
the official hystoryÐÝÞÈ about kim dynasty in china wrote that . their ancestor came from silla or koryo, but didnt mention royal family of silla. most chinese official hystories divided foreign tribes to four groups:east,south,west,north barbarians.ì¨îÚØÁëÔ mogols re north barbarians , vietanams re south barbarians,japan,korea,manchurians re east barbarians.
manchurian language is altaic language.that is very similar to mogol langue.this is wide accepted opinion.i learned a manchurian class in college one year and i know japnese languge also.
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Post by Cheonson on Jan 28, 2007 21:04:32 GMT -5
the official hystoryÐÝÞÈ about kim dynasty in china wrote that . their ancestor came from silla or koryo, but didnt mention royal family of silla. most chinese official hystories divided foreign tribes to four groups:east,south,west,north barbarians.ì¨îÚØÁëÔ mogols re north barbarians , vietanams re south barbarians,japan,korea,manchurians re east barbarians. The term "Dongyi" has been distorted by later Chinese. Its original meaning is "The People who bring Big Bows" and as I mentioned, the Founder of Ching called himself "The Lord of Dongy and he has the same power to Josun King" after he founded Ching empire. If 'Dongyi' means "EAst barbarians", the founder of Ching claimed himself "He is the Head of East Barbarians". In old times, each people seem to call opposites "Barbarians". In Mongolian empire (one of Dongyi empires), they even called other minor ethincs "Worms and stocks" and announced "Dongyi is the only great people in the world and they only have the great sky and great land." According to records, Dongyi people had much more excellent body, strong and tall, than other south west asian ethnics and they were very proud of their physical excellence.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 28, 2007 22:52:39 GMT -5
It's kind of funny (to me) that some people's (or tribe's) name for themselves translates as "The people," as if others aren't people too. Maybe they developed the idea before they knew much about their neighbors? It's pretty unsympathetic, I think, even if it is ancient.
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Post by korean p on Jan 29, 2007 22:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by BAE on Jan 30, 2007 13:57:56 GMT -5
I tried using an online translator for the article you presented, Korean P, but it didn't really work out too well. Thanks for the effort, much appreciated. I wish I could read Korean.
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Post by BAE on Jan 30, 2007 14:03:22 GMT -5
the official hystoryÐÝÞÈ about kim dynasty in china wrote that . their ancestor came from silla or koryo, but didnt mention royal family of silla. most chinese official hystories divided foreign tribes to four groups:east,south,west,north barbarians.ì¨îÚØÁëÔ mogols re north barbarians , vietanams re south barbarians,japan,korea,manchurians re east barbarians. The term "Dongyi" has been distorted by later Chinese. Its original meaning is "The People who bring Big Bows" and as I mentioned, the Founder of Ching called himself "The Lord of Dongy and he has the same power to Josun King" after he founded Ching empire. If 'Dongyi' means "EAst barbarians", the founder of Ching claimed himself "He is the Head of East Barbarians". In old times, each people seem to call opposites "Barbarians". In Mongolian empire (one of Dongyi empires), they even called other minor ethincs "Worms and stocks" and announced "Dongyi is the only great people in the world and they only have the great sky and great land." According to records, Dongyi people had much more excellent body, strong and tall, than other south west asian ethnics and they were very proud of their physical excellence. I think there was a similar dicussion in another thread about what DongYi meant exactly. If they really were expert archers, then it would only make sense that their physique matched up to their titles. But their bulk and muscle could also be cause to think of them as "barbarians" in a way. Since I think people way back in the day didn't really think of appreciating one another's cultures as much as we accept diversity and richness of culture and awareness of another's heritage today. Back then, it seems, it was all about keeping to yourself and staying in isolation unless some person/people decided boredom was out of style and problems ensued about conquered/warring nations. Thinking that a simple people who happened to excel in something as "barbaric" would just go to show US today that there were some serious misconceptions, not to mention failure/lack of understanding about one's position in the world or more lack of appreciation of someone else's culture.
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Post by Kino on Feb 11, 2007 20:25:52 GMT -5
I believe "Jumong" is being shown in HK/ Southern China. Still trying to figure out how it got passed the sensors there.
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Korean historical dramas have upset Chinese authorities and Internet users alike. Chinese authorities have imposed a press embargo on "Taewangsashingi," about the Koguryo Kingdom (37BC-668AD) from the early days until King Kwanggaeto the Great, and Chinese Internet users are calling "Chumong," about the early kingdom’s founding, chauvinistic and anti-Chinese.
Tianya Club, one of the most popular Internet forums in China, and Chinese search engine Baidu are inundated with messages attacking "Chumong." Users complain Korean drama is following in the footsteps of Japanese attempts to rewrite history, depicting Koreans as innocent and the Han-dynasty Chinese as cruel. "The drama portrays Han China as even nastier than Japan,” one message says. "What are the Chinese authorities doing? Korea is airing this kind of vicious TV drama all around the world."
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Hong Kong’s ATV, which started airing "Chumong" once a week last month, has changed “Han Dynasty" into "Tian Zhao" (meaning “a country ruled by the son of Heaven,” its name among vassal states) and "countries" into "tribes" in the subtitles. ATV says it “revised” some sensitive lines. “’Chumong' is an interesting and well-produced drama. But its theme is simply a myth or legend,” it said.
The Chinese Communist Party’s information department has imposed a press embargo on "Taewangsashingi," which starts airing in September, because it tackles the hairy historical questions of Koguryo, a kingdom China has for some time attempted to co-opt as part of Chinese history. Starring Korean Wave star Bae Yong-joon in his first TV drama in five years, "Taewangsashingi” is the most expensive Korean TV drama ever made with W45 billion (US$1=W937) in production cost.
Hong Kong weekly Yazhou Zhoukan said China feels uneasy about a succession of Korean TV dramas about the early Koguryo and Barhae kingdoms. They also include "Yongaesomun," which portrays a general in the later Koguryo period who repelled four invasion attempts by the Tang Dynasty, and "Taejoyong" about the Barhae founder uniting refugees after the fall of Koguryo. In its Feb. 4 edition, the magazine quotes Korea experts as saying such shows do not amount to a cultural invasion but rather provide opportunity for "cultural fusion" between the two countries. The weekly points out that many Korean pop stars are appearing in Chinese TV dramas and the two countries continue to co-produce films and TV dramas.
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Post by JP Paulus on Feb 24, 2007 0:37:58 GMT -5
Korean "Patriot"
your words are out of line...when i get some sleep, i may decide to delete your post, as it just attacks people.
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