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Post by teacher on Jan 14, 2008 17:13:29 GMT -5
I don't profess to be an expert on the politics or finances of North and South Korea, but I'm sure glad that the Americans in the 1860's overcame economic fears and worked to unite the good old USA.
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Post by captainscarlet1 on Jan 15, 2008 8:49:03 GMT -5
I don't profess to be an expert on the politics or finances of North and South Korea, but I'm sure glad that the Americans in the 1860's overcame economic fears and worked to unite the good old USA. Just economic fears? I think it was a lot more than that....At any rate, it would not be fair to compare that chapter of American history to any effort to reunify North and South Korea....There are too many differences that cannot be ignored.
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Post by forfeit on Jan 15, 2008 17:04:28 GMT -5
I watched a show on NAT GEO channel in Starchoice Canadian Channel. A U.S reporter named Linda Ling went undercover with an opt doctor in Nepal who was in humanitary mission to operate 10000 blind person. The living condition in North Korea is crazy. The gov has absolute control of people life. For example, if one person complain about gov ration distribution, the whole family will be put in camp for life. I thought the Vietcong in my country was tough. The North Korean is 1000 thousand time worst... I felt so bad for these North Korean people. Korean history has shown so such courage and determination. The ability to endurance hardship is unbelievable. Nowsaday, North Korean still demonstrate that spirit. I'm not talking politics but that Juche philosophy is probably the best display of independent spirit a Korean nation can show to the world. I wish once day North and South Korean can be united. I wonder why there has been no recent (to my knowledge) plot or attempt to overthrow the existing Stalinist regime.....
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Post by sheila on Jan 16, 2008 10:15:34 GMT -5
Thank you for your compassion, Forfeit.
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Post by almos on Jan 18, 2008 15:24:39 GMT -5
There are more important things than $! It's easy for you to say that unless you're the one footing the bill....South Koreans can feel as emotional and as idealistic as they like, but they can't deny the reality of it because one day, they may feel the impact on their wallets and pocketbooks......If the cost of reunification were to reach half-a-billion to a trillion dollars and decades of reconstruction in the north, what impact would that have on the South Korean economy? ROK politicians may like talking about all this reunification sentiment, but they prefer to maintain the status quo.....Do you think they would want to deal with a flood of starving NK refugees streaming down the 38th Parallel? Look at what happened with the reunification of East and West Germany......No one to my knowledge is suggesting that their reunification was such a smashing success even when West Germany poured billions of DM's into fixing its economy.....There are few things more heartwarming than peaceful reunification, but there is nothing appealing about what this will eventually cost the South Korean people, if it were to happen....... Are you saying that we just should let the North Korean people to die of starvation because the economic impact it would cause in North Korea? What kind of moral values do you have? Human life should be more important than money, and economy, or anything else.
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Post by captainscarlet1 on Jan 18, 2008 23:21:08 GMT -5
It's easy for you to say that unless you're the one footing the bill....South Koreans can feel as emotional and as idealistic as they like, but they can't deny the reality of it because one day, they may feel the impact on their wallets and pocketbooks......If the cost of reunification were to reach half-a-billion to a trillion dollars and decades of reconstruction in the north, what impact would that have on the South Korean economy? ROK politicians may like talking about all this reunification sentiment, but they prefer to maintain the status quo.....Do you think they would want to deal with a flood of starving NK refugees streaming down the 38th Parallel? Look at what happened with the reunification of East and West Germany......No one to my knowledge is suggesting that their reunification was such a smashing success even when West Germany poured billions of DM's into fixing its economy.....There are few things more heartwarming than peaceful reunification, but there is nothing appealing about what this will eventually cost the South Korean people, if it were to happen....... Are you saying that we just should let the North Korean people to die of starvation because the economic impact it would cause in North Korea? What kind of moral values do you have? Human life should be more important than money, and economy, or anything else. First of all, I don't like the tone of your response, Almos. Secondly, I doubt that you even understood my comments. Otherwise, you would have responded to them, differently. After all, reunification and preventing mass starvation in North Korea are two entirely different issues, altogether. Any thoughful person can see that.....Since you even question my moral values, I should ask you how much of your own money are you offering to help the cause of reunification of North and South Korea. If you are so gung-ho about this issue, you should be prepared to put your own money where your mouth is. Will you contribute 10 or 20 percent of your annual income? Otherwise, your words ring hollow. You're not being sincere.....This seems more like one of those "Let's tie a bell around the cat" scenarios where everybody thinks that reunification is such a great idea, but no one is willing to deal with personal cost..... I am sure South Korean officials have studied the German reunification experience quite thoroughly..... Come to think of it, reunification is possible right now.....The South Korean government can simply capitulate and allow Kim Jong Il and his lackeys to take over the entire south! Is that what you want, Almos? I am so amused whenever someone says some high, idealistic-sounding statement like "Human life is more important than money" or "Human life is more important than the economy." Money exists as a means of conducting economic or financial transactions in a more efficient manner. Otherwise, we would be stuck to bartering goods and services. An economy is defined by production, destribution, and consumption of goods, services, and resources. The importance of money and an economy is that they are useful in helping to sustain human life.....Just imagine what life would be like without them....
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Post by captainscarlet1 on Jan 19, 2008 10:05:43 GMT -5
DJY is going into its last stretch here in NYC where MKTV viewers are down to the last eight or nine episodes. I am actually looking forward to seeing this end.....It's been a great ride, but still quite exhausting.....DJY is gearing up for the upcoming battle against LKG....
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Post by MTR on Jan 19, 2008 15:51:12 GMT -5
On AZN we are about 20 episodes away from the end (not counting the specials which they will probably not even air )and i for one im savoring every last minute knowing that it will probably be replaced by a soap .
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Post by spasian on Jan 19, 2008 20:12:30 GMT -5
about the last couple pages i'm wondering y it became a little political? cuz i thought this was a spoiler section
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Post by captainscarlet1 on Jan 19, 2008 21:46:48 GMT -5
about the last couple pages i'm wondering y it became a little political? cuz i thought this was a spoiler section Forfeit started the shift by going with this admiration of the North Korean people, and some others came through in their two cents about Korean reunification and I expressed my lack of enthusiasm for that which led to Almos questioning my moral values and if I prefer to let North Koreans starve for whatever reason was specified....Of course, I NEVER once made such a statement, but it seems clear to me that Almos cannot distinguish between reunification and preventing mass starvation among North Koreans....Two completely different issues, altogether.... I for one would prefer to get back on track with the DJY spoilers..... I just completed episode 126.....Things are getting very tense with the Goguryeons because they have just reached their destination and are climbing the mountain....Gulsabiwu had offered to lead a group to hold back Li Wen's force....Geumlan offered to provide assistance despite the strong objections coming Biwu....I could just imagine what was going through Mimosa's mind while he was listening to the both of them during this strategy session.....Man, do I miss Heuk Sudol and Gaepil.... I wasn't particularly thrilled about the one-on-one discussion between Mimosa and Geumlan....I didn't particularly like his line of questioning.....It wasn't wrong for him to ask, but I still felt that Mimosa should have chosen his words more carefully.....I somehow got the impression that MImosa, having realized that Geumlan was indeed in love with Biwu, was not entirely happy with that.....Before, I had initially believed that Geumlan felt completely duty-bound to Mimosa to the point where she would kill anyone (even DJY) if Mimosa so ordered her. Her loyalty to Mimosa was absolute.....Until now.... That scene where Mimosa tells Biwu that he (Biwu) is now Geumlan's master, that I found a little unsettling....Biwu was stunned to hear it, as well, as was Geumlan.....In tomorrow's episode, I should see the final scene between Mimosa and Geumlan (before her death....)...I had seen it before, but without English subs....
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Post by captainscarlet1 on Jan 20, 2008 21:52:32 GMT -5
Episode 127 had it's good moments and bad moments....In the beginning, it seemed like the Khitan were again living up to the trust placed on them by DJY, where they put up such a fight in beating back Li Kaigu's assault....But again, they proved DJY wrong after Li Kaigu and Shin Hong snuck into the Goguryeon camp and had a secret encounter with Chulin.....The story took another disturbing twist when Shin Hong managed to convince Magu (one of the Khitan leaders who blamed DJY for the downfall of Khitan) that only Li Kaigu could bring back Khitan (another one of those really annoying shifts in the plot....). I can't wait to see the consequences of Magu's treachery.....I have grown weary of the DJY-Chulin-Geom-Li Kaigu storyline....
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Post by almos on Jan 22, 2008 2:22:27 GMT -5
Are you saying that we just should let the North Korean people to die of starvation because the economic impact it would cause in North Korea? What kind of moral values do you have? Human life should be more important than money, and economy, or anything else. First of all, I don't like the tone of your response, Almos. Secondly, I doubt that you even understood my comments. Otherwise, you would have responded to them, differently. After all, reunification and preventing mass starvation in North Korea are two entirely different issues, altogether. Any thoughful person can see that.....Since you even question my moral values, I should ask you how much of your own money are you offering to help the cause of reunification of North and South Korea. If you are so gung-ho about this issue, you should be prepared to put your own money where your mouth is. Will you contribute 10 or 20 percent of your annual income? Otherwise, your words ring hollow. You're not being sincere.....This seems more like one of those "Let's tie a bell around the cat" scenarios where everybody thinks that reunification is such a great idea, but no one is willing to deal with personal cost..... I am sure South Korean officials have studied the German reunification experience quite thoroughly..... Come to think of it, reunification is possible right now.....The South Korean government can simply capitulate and allow Kim Jong Il and his lackeys to take over the entire south! Is that what you want, Almos? I am so amused whenever someone says some high, idealistic-sounding statement like "Human life is more important than money" or "Human life is more important than the economy." Money exists as a means of conducting economic or financial transactions in a more efficient manner. Otherwise, we would be stuck to bartering goods and services. An economy is defined by production, destribution, and consumption of goods, services, and resources. The importance of money and an economy is that they are useful in helping to sustain human life.....Just imagine what life would be like without them.... I am not going to argue about the economic impact of the Korean reunification; this is not the right forum for it . About the exaggerations of the cost of reunification, I suggest you to check out this web site …… www.mtholyoke.edu/~jeehan/ppage4t.html I believe that reunification and preventing mass starvation in North Korea are not different issues at all. – It cannot be separated because reunification is the only solution to stop the suffering of North Koreans (this is the opinion of many experts). International aids didn’t help much so far. I was wondering where did you get that unrealistic estimation the reunification of Korea would cost 10-20 percent of their annual income (on a personal level)? …… By the way, in West Germany, people has barely noticed the impact of reunification on their “wallets” (I lived there in 1995-96). In reality, the East Germans were the one who suffered because it was de-industrialised and that was causing an unemployment rate of up to 25%. Many East German didn’t have other choices but to migrate to the west to find jobs. All of this could have been prevented if this “conversion” had been done gradually. However, I haven’t heard any Germans saying that they regreted the reunification. They are proud to be the biggest nation in Europe and have more political power than before the reunification.
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Post by snoopdog on Jan 22, 2008 15:38:22 GMT -5
The actor that plays the character of Xue Rengui in DJY also played the Archfiend in AOW. What was the name of the series? It's slipped my mind? Any help? And is the whole series available on DVD?
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 22, 2008 19:11:07 GMT -5
snoopdog, what series? AOW is Age of Warriors, is that what you're looking for? He was in My Precious Child, too.
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Post by midwestmom on Jan 22, 2008 19:28:17 GMT -5
Dear Readers, I'm sort of new at this, so please forgive me if I seem rude. I am also troubled by some of the living conditions in the world. However, I visit this board to take a few minutes away from the horrible news and daily stress. If someone could set up a special topic area for political discussions, I think it would be better for all. I respect and agree with all of your opinions, but I think it would be better to have posts related to TV dramas here and politics/wars at another thread area.
Respectfully, Midwest Mom
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