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Post by ginnycat5 on Dec 6, 2006 22:31:09 GMT -5
I don't know if it's as long as 20 years. Is Dae Joyoung supposed to be a beardless youth? (Even with his 5 o'clock shadow) Maybe 16 years? 18? I guess it could be 20. Wonder why he shaves-is it a rule for serfs? Do you need permission to grow a beard?
Is the Emperor of China dead now? He wasn't doing well after his facial injury.
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Post by kiongna on Dec 6, 2006 22:39:44 GMT -5
Hello Everyone, Newbie here, I've heard what a great incredible drama this is but haven't got the chance to watch it yet as I'm from Malaysia and no Eng. subs out yet. You guys are so lucky in Chicago, Western land but so get so up-to-date Korean Dramas! So would rely on the great W2 Heavens Subbing team from D-Addicts for my Eng. subs! Watched What's Up Fox, Bad Family, Good-bye Solo, and watching JUMONG, Seodong Yo, Fantasy Couple and some. Yup I LOVEEEEEEE Korean Dramas to heavenly bits! Opps ! So Off Topic ! Just wanted to let you have a link to the superb Mister X's review on DJY, here's the link folks, enjoy if you haven't seen it before! ENJOY! Link to his review Ep. 1 & 2 www.mediamob.co.kr/misterx/blog.aspx?id=112099Link to his review of Ep. 9 to 14. www.mediamob.co.kr/misterx/blog.aspx?id=118887Cheers, E
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Post by BAE on Dec 6, 2006 23:23:33 GMT -5
I don't know if it's as long as 20 years. Is Dae Joyoung supposed to be a beardless youth? (Even with his 5 o'clock shadow) Maybe 16 years? 18? I guess it could be 20. Wonder why he shaves-is it a rule for serfs? Do you need permission to grow a beard? Is the Emperor of China dead now? He wasn't doing well after his facial injury. I think he is dead... I read about Tang in an article somewhere (prolly wiki) and he died like 4 years after the lost battle with Anchi and various illnesses and his lost pride took a toll on his health and he passed away a miserable man. Around 20 years have passed in two episodes? Do I need to know anything significant?
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Post by Knov1 on Dec 7, 2006 11:53:54 GMT -5
I don't know if it's as long as 20 years. Is Dae Joyoung supposed to be a beardless youth? (Even with his 5 o'clock shadow) Maybe 16 years? 18? I guess it could be 20. Wonder why he shaves-is it a rule for serfs? Do you need permission to grow a beard? From my understanding, it's about 20 years later. It would have to be somewhere around there because they mentioned the fall of Baekje which happened in 660. I don't know about Goguryeo but during the Koryo era only higher ranking soldiers and officials could grow beards. The longer the beard, the higher your rank. At least, that's how I understood it. Is the Emperor of China dead now? Yeah, he's already died by this point. He died 4 years after the battle of Anshi castle/fort. His son is now the emperor.
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Post by Lucy on Dec 7, 2006 13:49:24 GMT -5
Yes, and isn't it kind of funny to see Choi Sul-jong (age about 40) soldiering through to play the "child" (about 20) Dae Jo-young? Hang in there, Sul-jong, you only have to wear the bangs and eye makeup for another episode or two, by my reckoning, until your character is fully adult.
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Post by BAE on Dec 18, 2006 22:06:18 GMT -5
Turns out that Yeon Gae ... (his name is too long) isn't such a bad guy after all. One could tell it killed him inside to know that he was about to execute a man that considered him as a father. I don't know, there wouldn't be much of a show if they killed off Dae Jo Young yet, I think he's going to save his life. Much to the displeasure of his son. Now that the Tang army is trying to claim Goguryeo again, I think they'll need Dae Jo Young and his father... Well, I hope so..
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Post by REAL on Dec 19, 2006 18:50:29 GMT -5
of course Yeon Gae So Moon is not a bad man lol
on Korea's hero list, Yeon ranks higher than Yi Soon Shin.
everyone in korea respects him.
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Post by kathleen34 on Dec 20, 2006 8:30:59 GMT -5
SHOES - In YiSoonShin I remember being fascinated by the straw shoes that the navy wore. They were woven and tied and well, pretty impressive considering they didn't have a lot of materials to work with. And that is in the late 1590s But now we've gone back to 648 AD and I've noticed in several episodes the DJY is wearing pretty decent looking shoes. Real shoes... that look like what one could wear in the 21st Century. I know this is a silly thing to be concerned about, but from a historical point I don't understand how shoes could be more modern in 600-something AD ... and so primitive in the late 1590s.
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Post by BAE on Dec 20, 2006 11:02:41 GMT -5
of course Yeon Gae So Moon is not a bad man lol on Korea's hero list, Yeon ranks higher than Yi Soon Shin. everyone in korea respects him. Of course, even I came to know that. I just meant that on the show, towards the beginning, they portrayed him as a bit ruthless or was it that he's just a terrifying person? Either way, he looked a bit menacing at the start of the show, to me. He seems a lot softer and nicer now than the image of him from the beginning.
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Post by CaptainVideo on Dec 20, 2006 13:01:06 GMT -5
SHOES - In YiSoonShin I remember being fascinated by the straw shoes that the navy wore. They were woven and tied and well, pretty impressive considering they didn't have a lot of materials to work with. And that is in the late 1590s But now we've gone back to 648 AD and I've noticed in several episodes the DJY is wearing pretty decent looking shoes. Real shoes... that look like what one could wear in the 21st Century. I know this is a silly thing to be concerned about, but from a historical point I don't understand how shoes could be more modern in 600-something AD ... and so primitive in the late 1590s. Such a keen observation, Kathleen. I have a theory which might explain this apparent backward movement technologically, or at the very least, fashion wise.... Okay, the crux of the situation seems to be the availability of natural resources. Without checking a map, I seem to think that Gorgoryeo stretched a bit into China (actually, I think in about episode 6 or so, Yeon Gaesomon exclaims that since the Chinese put up The Great Wall and established the border, then by virtueof that fact, all of the land outside the wall is left for Gorgoryeo). Later on, Balhae's capital would be established deeper into the Chinese territory, thus fueling the Chinese assertion that Korea and its history are a subgroup of China, much like Tibet. Anyway, in contrast to the wide ranging sprawl of Gorgoryeo, Chosun was limited in area to the peninsula that now comprises modern day Korea. It stands to reason that if you lack raw material, you have to trade for it but that starts to be a big burden on the economy; oddly, this is the very thing that causes imperialism and most wars in the world. Okay, so just like many cultures before them, I'm willing to bet that the footwear of the Chosun peasants was fashioned from hemp fiber since it could be easily produced, was plentiful and extremely durable. I saw a documentary about a month ago which discussed this very subject, although the precise dates escape me. Anyway, just like many cultures around the world, Korea valued hemp for its strong durable fibers and the fact that it could be produced with relatively little resources and in a short amount of time (compared to growing a tree). Later on, they discovered that cotton, although more expensive to grow, it was much easier to process the fiber than that of hemp, so the switch was made. This, I feel, might explain the seemingly backwards progression of the footwear over 1000 years. Of course I could be way off on this........
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Post by kathleen34 on Dec 20, 2006 13:12:31 GMT -5
CaptainVideo... are you the best or WHAT!!! What a wonderfully detailed theory ... which as you say may or may not be on target, but it sounds credible. Making maximum use of your available resources ... as Pres. Reagan once said. Thank you so much, CV. A small detail, but reflecting an important part of the history of the area. ;D
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Post by REAL on Dec 20, 2006 17:27:08 GMT -5
SHOES - In YiSoonShin I remember being fascinated by the straw shoes that the navy wore. They were woven and tied and well, pretty impressive considering they didn't have a lot of materials to work with. And that is in the late 1590s But now we've gone back to 648 AD and I've noticed in several episodes the DJY is wearing pretty decent looking shoes. Real shoes... that look like what one could wear in the 21st Century. I know this is a silly thing to be concerned about, but from a historical point I don't understand how shoes could be more modern in 600-something AD ... and so primitive in the late 1590s. Yi Soon Shin lived in a during the time of Chosun dynasty. Though Koreans are proud of all of their history, they can't deny the fact that Chosun dynsasty was the weakest dynasty in Korean history. Unlike the European countries, whose lifestyle actually got better after the Middle Ages, for Korea, the founding of the Chosun dynasty actually worsened the economy, housings, and clothings. Plus, this is the time of Koguryo dynasty, the most glorious dynasty in Korean history. I think that pretty much explains it. Chosun was pretty much under Chinese control. However, Koguryo was an independent kingdom who had a power equivalent to the Chinese or sometimes even bigger. You can just tell by how the King of those two dynaties are callled. King of Chosun just means King (Wang), King of Koguryo, however, if translated in English specifically, is called The Imperial King (Tae-Wang). Also, when the subjects of the King says "Your Majesty", they say 'Jun-ha' to the King of Chosun like many of you know from IYSS, but to the King of Koguryo, they said "Pe-ha" which is equivalent to what the Chinese says to their Emperor when they're saying "Your Majesty." By the way, Dae Jo Young is the first Korean monarch to call himself the Emperor.
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Post by JP Paulus on Dec 20, 2006 19:50:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the backgrond info -- that's really helpful...helps me to understand why Yi Soon Shin, with all of his accomlishments, still might not be "#1"
REAL, i encourage you to sign on with your own identity on the board...it can make things a lot easier for you, and the rest of us. We appreciate your input & love to see you more a part of our community.
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Post by kathleen34 on Dec 20, 2006 20:50:00 GMT -5
Yet even MORE credible reasons that something so simple as shoes were far superior due to the resources. PLUS, a history lesson as well. Thank you so much REAL... As JPPaulus states, please - continue to share your knowledge with us. Between you and CaptainVideo I come away so appreciative of what we can learn from each other Well...I don't think I can teach anyone anything with such in-depth knowledge, but at least my question prompted a more than adequate response/history lesson.
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Post by geumriver on Dec 20, 2006 22:24:27 GMT -5
With all due respect, I beg to disagree with "Real's" assertion that Yeon ranks higher than Yi Soon-shin on Korea's hero list. I have never heard such a thing. As far as I remember(I am an over-fifty Korean,) No.1 on the Korea's hero list has always been either YSS or King Sejong the Great(during whose reign many cultural achievements were made including invention of Hangeul.)
I just checked the Korean internet. I couldn't find Yeon's name on five greatest Koreans' list. Sorry.
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