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Post by sushimi on May 2, 2006 5:00:30 GMT -5
Hey Sushimi, Do you get the AZN network where you are, or were you planning to rent Winter Sonata? I didn't get AZN network where I live, I can't rent Winter Sonata... Summer Scents is boring and not interesting... |
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Post by stacey on May 2, 2006 6:03:43 GMT -5
Wow, Soko, you certainly get around....Have a great timein Barbados!
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Post by stacey on May 3, 2006 16:17:33 GMT -5
Hi Guy and Gals,
I feel like after the last couple of emails between myself and justaviewer, people have started to avoid this site. If I have offended or made anyone uncomfortable, please forgive me. That was in no way my intent.
As I said once before, it's rare that you find a tv show which makes you think and re-examine your own place/purpose in the world. Hello God certainly did that for me as I am sure it did for a lot of you. I'd very much like to continue those dialogues with all of you. This is such a wonderful forum and I enjoy talking to all of you, so let's continue.
Stacey
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Post by kathleen34 on May 3, 2006 17:21:45 GMT -5
Hi Guy and Gals, I feel like after the last couple of emails between myself and justaviewer, people have started to avoid this site. If I have offended or made anyone uncomfortable, please forgive me. That was in no way my intent. As I said once before, it's rare that you find a tv show which makes you think and re-examine your own place/purpose in the world. Hello God certainly did that for me as I am sure it did for a lot of you. I'd very much like to continue those dialogues with all of you. This is such a wonderful forum and I enjoy talking to all of you, so let's continue. Stacey I sure hope this site isn't being avoided.... there's a wonderful exchange of comments. Like you, I love America very much. BUT... you just knew there would have to be a 'but' in there... Just today I was talking with my co-workers about culture and discipline and sacrifice. My sons are in their early 40s... and I just never had to deal with the immoral crap that today's parents have to deal with. right was right... wrong was wrong...My husband left us when our boys were 2 and 4... I never dated until they were 18 and 20 . I saw too many women developing relationships that did nothing to enhance family life. Doing what is right is never easy. I love the Korean dramas because in this 21st Century there is a great deal of discipline and sacrifice that seems to be driven by respect ... of themselves .... and those around them. |
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Post by justaviewer on May 3, 2006 17:32:47 GMT -5
Stacey,
You don't have to apologize for your point of view. That's what a forum is for. It's an arena to express your thoughts and feeling on a subject. You obviously like Heloo God and have a right to express your high regard and although I liked the show (I have long since stopped viewing the drama)I do not hold in as high a regard to you. Yes, there are often underlying themes in these shows that are profound and thought provoking but sometimes the shows ignore the more realistic and human actions of those in love in ALL cultures and societies. Is everyone in Korean society so noble? If the love is pure then making these needless and often pointless sacrifices diminishes the value of that love. If you truly love someone and they love you isn't it worth fighting for? You don't just give up on true love no matter how short your time together is. But .............. that's why we have forums to express our differing points of view. Happy Posting!
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Post by stacey on May 4, 2006 12:58:29 GMT -5
Justaviewer,
I remember you siting how episode 13 was very contrived, because of the way Haru tried to push Eunhye away instead of telling her the truth. He knew how bad things were going to get for him and 1) he didn't want her to see him in a state worse than when she met him and 2) he didn't want to be a burden to her or the principal's family...his love for them was such that he did not want to become a hassle to anyone.
While Haru loved Eunhye, he didn't feel he was at the level (financial and otherwise) to love her the way he wanted to and the way she said she needed to be loved. His fear and insecurity made him push her away, with the thought that she would be happier with Park Dongjae, because he had all of those things that Eunhye said she wanted and need to feel loved and secure.
I'm sure there has been times in your life where you may have felt the same way. The natural inclination is to pick a fight so the other person would leave, thereby fulfilling the self-imposed prophecy that you weren't good enough for that person in the first place, or that person didn't love you as much as they said they did...
A love worth fight for...yes, real love is worth fighting for however, reality is not that cut and dry other factors and people outside our control are also also a part of the formula. An many of us have no idea what it means to really love someone...until they are gone.
They didn't give up on each other at all...you really should watch the show to the end....
Kathleen,
You are right; doing what's right is never easy, but to this day I have no regret about doing so. I can live with and like myself in a way I'm sure a lot of people can't. That's what's important in life. If you aren't happy with yourself, you can't make or be happy with anyone else. That's a bandaid, not a cure. There are a lot of walking wounded in this world who haven't done enough self-assment to realize that.
I love k-dramas for the same reason you sited above. There is still respect for their elders, their culture, the environment and an honest day's work. Not to mention plain ole good manners.
It's apauling to see American children tell their parents to shut up or use the F and N words freely in conversation. They think it's a sign of maturity, but in reality is a sign of poor education, poor home-training and no respect for themselves and others.
I am deeply sadden about the future of these children, because their true potential is being lost by the second and their behavior is closing all kinds of doors for them.
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Post by sushimi on May 4, 2006 13:39:09 GMT -5
It's beautiful all that you said... I agree with you, but I'm gonna to explain because my english not as good as your english... Justaviewer has an open mind because she told all her toughts... I'm sure that you're wrong when you say this thread is started to be avoid... I think it's only because the show was almost over when we started about our thoughts... And yes, we know only what we really love when we lost it....  |
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Post by justaviewer on May 5, 2006 16:43:55 GMT -5
Stacey and Kathleen,
I respectfully (ha ha an American showing respect) disagree with you. You can say we never know how DEEPLY we love someone until s/he is gone but we are able to discern if we love someone. If you trully love someone not only do you fight (try to find cures and methods to prolong your time together; value your time together) for that love but you are perceptive the other other person's needs and desires. Wouldn't Day's character know that no one could love Eunhye as much as he? Therefore being with Dr. Park who was unable to her with a whole heart would not be the best thing. Wouldn't he know she would be bitter at not have those few more days and moments with her true love?
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Post by sushimi on May 8, 2006 7:47:50 GMT -5
I would like to know if someone knows the title of the song in the ep13, when Eunhye went to speak to Dr Park, at the beginning of the ep, in this english song, with those words "I feel I'm losing you..."
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Post by stacey on May 8, 2006 11:33:35 GMT -5
Justaviewer,
Remember, Day didn't know if he was going to live or die...he was preparing for the worse. If something happened to him he didn't want Eunhye to be alone. He knew Dr. Park loved her that why he tried to step aside. When he tried to steer them in each other's direction, Eunhye set him straight. That's when Day realized she's gonna be there no matter what and they did enjoy their time together....
If it's your time to go, there's no amount of fight that's gonna stop that and would "prolonging" really be any kinder than letting go. If so, for whom?
"Borrowed" time is indeed precious time, but "bought" time is never so sweet.
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Post by stacey on May 8, 2006 11:35:50 GMT -5
sushimi,
The only english song I remember playing was Van Morrison's "Crazy Love." There was another song in one of the earlier episodes, sung by I think Mick Hucknall of Simply Red, but I'd have to listen to it again to be sure. Was the song you're looking for not on the soundtrack?
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Post by sushimi on May 8, 2006 12:21:25 GMT -5
Stacey, Thank you for your help... Yes, I like "Crazy Love" who is on the OST, but in the show, this song sound like an 60's song, it's not the same version in the OST... But the song that I'm looking for, is not on the OST, and I like it.... I'm gonna to try if it's Simply Red... Thank you...  |
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Post by justaviewer on May 8, 2006 17:15:28 GMT -5
Stacey,
But then you have the conflicting themes of the show. On the one hand when Eunhye wanted to die everyone told her not to give up (Mr Pyro? (aka the loan shark)) sung her that song about not dying. But then for Day to just give up on their love isn't that just another form of emotional suicide? She ran out of hope and a desire to go on because she thougth things wouldn't and could get better. Day does the same thing. There seems to be a conflict of themes.
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Post by stacey on May 9, 2006 17:07:49 GMT -5
Justaviewer,
Well, yes, life is full of conflicting themes, emotional and otherwise. Nothing is cut and dry as this show made very clear. Some hard choices had to be made with some good and some bad outcomes. It only takes a second for your whole life to go in another direction...
I found it interesting that in some of the other posts, a lot of people were hung up on what happened to all Haru's money and the house, etc. He lost much of what he made. He gave his father the remainder. As for the money and house he gave Eunhye I believe that's what she used to go to school with. She went to Seoul to become a teacher. That's probably where she stayed and how she paid for it. She gave it back to Haru saying she felt like she would be trading it for him, but I think he still kept in there for her.
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Post by sushimi on May 11, 2006 11:43:50 GMT -5
Maybe she gave her money to the school... I hope that she kept only the house that Day gave to her... Dr Park is the only one who had still his mother.... I'm so sad to know that Eunhye's mother and Haru's mother are died.. I'm a little upset, if only Dr Park had given enough money to Eunhye, she could save his mother from the disease....If Eunhye wasn't not here, I'm sure that Dr Park never wanted to speak to his mother, but he's lucky to have her.... Justaviewer, it's Mr Pyo the loan shark.... our nice loan shark....  |
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