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Post by justaviewer on Apr 28, 2006 16:07:59 GMT -5
I just wanted to know how the show ended. I appreciate everyone has a different perspective. And I do agree that American television is dumbed down. But let me ask you is it realistic for 2 people who love each other to commit suicide by freezing to death in the cold (i.e. Knocked Out By Love)? I think NOT! Sometimes the shows are overly melodramatic (OK everyone don't get mad at me for expressing my dumb commercialized American point of view). I mean if you love someone and that person loves you, hook up. It's really quite simple. If your mother-in-law is a witch moved out of your inlaws home. (Yes, I know it a cultural diiference) As well, are young adults in Korea REALLY this chaste and celibate (I think American Tv is a little more realistic in this point of view)? And BTW, I don't watch "reality shows". However, my life has enough unhappiness without watching Korean characters whom we as viewers grow attached to come to unhappy endings. There's something to be said for our stupid but HAPPY and therefore satisfying Hollywood endings.
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Post by SoKo on Apr 28, 2006 21:32:33 GMT -5
To guest, I love Santa Clarita (minus the earthquakes of course)! I was there during the Northridge quake in '94. Perhaps the new show is diff in your market. I am not loving Summer Scent half as much as Hello, God. The characters aren't as engaging, and the story does seem slow in comparison, and of course there is no one as cute as tasty looking as Yoo Gun LOL  |
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Post by sushimi on Apr 29, 2006 5:25:53 GMT -5
Justaviewer We're not talking only about the 2 people "who love each other...cold" like you said, but about all the bad things they have in korean drama... It's sure, it's romantic... American shows showed only the wonderful more otfen.... Soko I have the same sensation when I watched "Summer scents" the first time.... I saw the ep10 this week, but all on this show (actors, dialogues) are less interesting than "Hello, God!"... I'm happy, if I can't recorded the ep of "Hello, God!" I'm sure, it will miss me so much... The characters of "Summer scents" can't replaced our favorite drama... And yes, no one as cute as Yoo Gun... This guy is unbelievable, and so handsome too.....  |
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Post by cyuser on Apr 30, 2006 10:33:13 GMT -5
no official DVD out yet
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Post by stacey on Apr 30, 2006 12:04:13 GMT -5
Yeah,
I'm not loving Summer Scent. But I am starting to feel Winter Sonata, the first of the shows in the producers' Seasons series.
Justaviewer...
I am sorry that you feel so burdened by your own troubles that you can't bear to watch the saddnes in the K-dramas. One way to look at things would be to realize that someone else is going through far worse things than you, but they manage to be thankful for small blessings, and enjoyable moments.
Knocked out by Love's ending hit me hard too. But I understood enough about the culture to respect that someone's personal desires are small in comparison to honor and the big picture. In the end, they were together...the universe connected them in the next life.
There are strict rules of conduct in all cultures. America's being the most lax, hince our downward spiral.
You didn't believe the chasity of the characters, that's like saying you don't get your hands cut off for stealing in some Middle Eastern cultures. It's there way of doing things.
Most people in Asian cultures live with their parents until marriage and then they live with extended family. Not exactly an easy hookup scenario. Besides love and sex are two different things, which American's have yet to learn. A deep, abiding and lasting love goes way beyond sex. Some cultures still believe in arranged marriages and asking parent's permission for marriage. Emtions are secondary
Americans do as I want, do as I please attitude is the reason we are less respected globally and why we have become a society of rude, disrespectful, self-centered idiots. I turned to K-drama when I realized everything I watched on American tv had to do with crime, killing and same ole African American stereotypes. No, thanks.
Again, I implore you, don't just look at the saddness in the story, but the lessons learned.
Stacey
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Post by sushimi on Apr 30, 2006 19:36:54 GMT -5
Stacey, I agree with all that you said... It's a surprise to find someone like you, not Asian, who say the truth without to hide it about our differents cultures.... That's why I changed my mind since I started to watch asian movies.... I am Asian and I don't understand why the respect is not something important ... Sometimes, it seems that Americans don't believe in anything, but only in sex and money, it's the things that I learned in American movies... I'm myself someone who respect each person without to see their color, origin, clothes, work.... I'm sorry and I hope that American people will see my opinion will not be upset to read what I say.... We just here to share things together, the bad and the good things too....  Summer scents is not very interesting, even after 10ep.....  Did you watch Winter Sonata on KBS world? |
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Post by kathleen34 on Apr 30, 2006 21:38:35 GMT -5
Stacey ... applause, applause for your beautiful insight. I so agree with you. The primary joy I get from watching these Korean dramas is learning about the culture. Justaviewer... if you really believe that the simplicity of 'hooking up' is the way to go, then better that you stick with American stories where hooking up presents endless crass story lines.
There are times when you love someone, you strive to do what is best for that someone... and sometimes, it means walking away. I'm sorry that you've experienced pain in your life... but experiencing pain, after all ... either destroys your life or enhances it.
Happily ever after is a Hollywood /Disney concept and has very little to do with reality. The lessons in Hello God remind us about what true love is. I'm not Korean ... but I will never tire of these lovely stories based on such a respectful culture.
Well said Stacey ... welcome to this fan board!
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Post by FlowerLady on Apr 30, 2006 22:48:58 GMT -5
I agree, Kathleen.....To me, that is one of the most appealing features of watching Korean dramas.
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Post by stacey on May 1, 2006 9:56:35 GMT -5
Thanks Sushimi and Kathleen,
Didn't mean to go on a rant there, but I just want people to "get it." I really hope justaviewer will continue to watch the show and see what we are talking about.
While my own life has not been all wine and roses, I have been blessed enough to be able to travel. I have experienced wonderful cultures and people and have learned so much from all of them. Watching K-dramas, I'd now like to visit Korea and learn some Korean sometime soon.
Experiencing another culture is a beautiful thing, it's what shapes us into who we are. But, like anything else, we have to weed out the garbage.
One of my earliest travel experiences was during the late 80s, early 90s. I was in Europe and people would look at the color of my clothes and try to understand which gang I was affiliated with, because that was they learned about African Americans in the TV shows they got from America. I dissappointed a lot of people because they felt like they couldn't tell their friends the met a "real" black person from America. I felt utterly embarrassed at how the rest of the world saw black Americans. And I am even more embarrassed that African Americans are the main senders of this negative message.
Yes, my friends, I am an African American woman, who had a baby at 16, but I also managed to earn two degrees, run my own business, dance in a Middle Eastern dance troupe, and enjoy K-dramas, classical, metal, rap, rock, world and R&B music. This is who I am and this is what makes me happy. :-)
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Post by stacey on May 1, 2006 10:01:36 GMT -5
soko, www.asiaheritage.org/calendar.htm Let's at least try to go to the cooking class on the 8, fashion show on the 17th, or one of the movies. Let me know. Sushimi, I watch Winter Sonata on AZN network. It airs M-F 22:30- 23:30. |
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Post by sushimi on May 1, 2006 11:42:39 GMT -5
Stacey
Thank you for your informations about Winter Sonata... The people that you have meet were ridiculous to see you like that.... Some people don't think before do something... People are nasty for nothing... It reminds me that one day, 3 years ago, when I'm walking on the street, a guy made me an insult for nothing... We must be stronger than them without react by the same way....
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Post by justaviewer on May 1, 2006 17:06:24 GMT -5
Stacey, I too am a African-American. I speak 2 languages and have travelled to Europe. My life is anything but roses and nor do I fit into any stereotypes. A mature viewer, whether American or not is bale to tell that love and sex are 2 different things but often people are are so busy looking down upon our "lax" American culture they forget that American television also shows that "sex" is not the same thing as making love a physical expression of a spiritual bond and deep love. However, as one viewer in the episode 13 section put it , "It's a pointless contrivance. People in love in dramas always seem to do whatever they can to keep themselves away from the ones they love. And they usually do such a good job of pretending that it's hard to believe in it when they do finally get together." This is all I'm saying. Sometimes the shows would be more emotional and poignant if the tragic circumstances weren't so contrived. BTW, I still don't "get" the point of Knocked Out By Love. Did sacfricing thier love for each other make the other lovers in thier life feel better? Wouldn't you rather see the person you love with another person than dead? Complication where ther doesn't need to be any. Honor is open for interpration. Incidentally, my life situation is a LOT more tragic than thiers was. It's not that I don;t believe chasity isn't important in thier culture. Yes, in some countries a thief will be punished with the cutting off of his hands. Does that mean that theft doesn't happen? The characters in Rooftop Room "hooked up", had sex. The characters in Wedded Bliss DID NOT live with thier in-laws. So younger generations have more in common with Americans than you think. Lessons can be learned ANYWHERE. American television has its merits as well. There are shows that deal with homosexuality, terminal illness, adoption, interracial relationships, prejudic and sexism and it's just a matter of weeding out the treasures from the garbage. We are all here to share our insights and opinions. Thanks for listening with open minds.
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Post by stacey on May 1, 2006 20:42:39 GMT -5
Justaviewer,
I am glad you came back! I think the point of Knocked Out By Love was trying to make was when you love someone with a pure heart, you want the best for them. If you recall when the girl and the guy finally decided to leave each other for good, they told each other how they would carry on with their lives.
She promised to resume her acting career, become famous, get married and have children. She did resume her acting a career and become famous, but she could not/did not marry the other guy and have kids. She ran away because she was tired of pretending and living a lie.
The guy promised to become a kickboxing champ, buy the garage he was working at, and get married.
When the girl went missing, he went to find her. He didn't know that he'd be too late. The universe made it possible for him to find her. He was so distraught that he couldn't leave her there, but was too cold and tired to return alone. They froze on the mountiain, but their spirits, conversed and they were finally together in the next life. When people are meant to be together, the universe has a way of making that happen....here or in the hereafter.
Yes, more cultures are taking on more western characteristic and paying the price for it. And yes there are American shows that have some redeeming values, but you must admit, the prime time, family watching hours are full of swill...
Honor is subject to to interpretation, but again most other societies are not as "me" focused as we Americans are. Most other societies value their parents feelings and standing within that society. We are a society, that tell our parents to "shut up" and at the same time ask them to buy us and expensive car. Our values are atrocious.
The whole immagrant situation would be a prime expample. While every news story and article that talks about this issue, mentions Mexico...they are not the only group of people who this issue will effect, however putting a brown face to it, makes people feel it's not their problem too.
On my way to work this morning, I overheard two "educated" African American women laughing about the whole situation and saying they hoped those people lose their jobs. They failed to realize not more than 50 years ago...that was us. We are not so "high" on the American justice ladder, that it can't be us again.
Don't get me wrong, I love America, was born and raised here, but I also respect and appreciate other people and cultures for their differences and sameness. In the end, we are all small pieces of dust in the grand design of things....
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Post by stacey on May 1, 2006 20:56:32 GMT -5
Hey Sushimi,
Do you get the AZN network where you are, or were you planning to rent Winter Sonata?
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Post by SoKo on May 2, 2006 1:38:23 GMT -5
Stacey:
Thanks for sending the calendar...I would have loved to make the cooking class next Monday, but i'll still be in Barbados. Let's plan on doing one of the other events, perhaps the fashion show!
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