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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 2, 2006 22:29:42 GMT -5
We're getting clues, but I still don't know who Jung-woo's father is. Either he IS the fourth son because the father of the other 3 had an affair with his accountant, or Ilho/Cha is the father. Ilho doesn't want his wife or daughter to find out something about the past-maybe how he acquired the company, or the fact that he fathered another child. His mother knows the truth, tho.
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Post by TheBo on Jan 4, 2006 13:23:59 GMT -5
What a coincidence, I was thinking about opening a thread on this, too, Ginny! I think the father is the doctor brother. Here is why (take into account that I just watched episode 9, so I'm a bit behind):
1) When Jung-woo's mother saw his adoptive father, she did not recognize him (when he went to borrow money), but did know his name 2) When she was recalling the run-in with the cafe owner who told her Sung-mi had spitefully (and falsely) said the child was going to an orphanage, she stated, "How could he send away a blood relative!" (or words to that effect) 3) Ilho/Cha (LOL) feels guilty for ruining the Han family and constantly goes over it when he is in his cups, but doesn't seem to have any other sources of guilt or I'd think he'd mull that over, too 4) The doctor brother seems to have the most to lose over this incident. I don't particularly like Sung-min (the divorcing brother), but he and his wife seem like they could work this out between them, and the same for the chicken-man and his wife. But, can you imagine if Mrs Doctor found out her husband had a previous child? Or, perhaps she does know, and forced him to give the boy up. Maybe that's why Sung-mi said they'd send the child to an orphanage, because they were going to at first but chicken-man and/or his wife relented. 5) If there's a fourth brother we don't know about, that's a possibility, but it seems doubtful.
My, my, my--I DO have to learn these peoples' names, LOL.
Bo
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 4, 2006 13:57:01 GMT -5
But the lender hid from the chickenman, so she didn't want to be recognized, but knew she would have been if he'd seen her.
The doctor said, rudely, to Jung-woo, I'm NOT your UNCLE. So he's old enough to have been aware of events, but maybe not old enough to father a child. It seems like there are too many years age difference between the lender and the doctor.
I think you're right about Ilho/Cha and the amount of his guilt.
It became more clear yesterday, but no spoilers now.
The names are really tough, I think because all the shows are new and we had that time off. (Speaking of names, YSS is Kim Myoung ---?,still haven't learned it. Did you see the award show last night? At the very end YSS got an award, maybe from the Pres. of KBS, but i had to stick it out until 12:20 am. to see it. Jin-kook was sitting with Lee Tae -ran, at the same table, anyway. The star of My Rosy Life got about 4 awards, all for the same show? They let the fans right up on stage to give flowers, but they have the manners to give them and leave, don't try for kisses or pieces of clothing, thank goodness.)
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Post by TheBo on Jan 4, 2006 14:42:01 GMT -5
I didn't think she was particularly hiding from the chicken man. In fact, at one point they passed each other and neither one reacted. But it's been some time since I saw that episode (it was the first or second), so perhaps I misremember. She did seem to hide behind a door to look at him, and obviously Sung-mi (sister) knew who she was.
The lender has to be at least 37 (17 or 18 (her possible age at boy's birth) plus 18 (his possible age))--do we know everyone's ages? Doctor could be 37 or so. Chicken man seems to be well into his 40s or even 50. If Doctor Sung-___ were the father, he is not the uncle. And obviously, he has no finer feelings, so he could act like that to his own son. I don't know how old he is supposed to be, either. Younger than Chicken Bro and older than Now-Cabbie Bro.
No, I don't have the luxury of trolling Channel 28/41 now, the TV that tapes my shows is in my boss's office and I only have so much tape. By Jin-kook, do you mean from MPC? Perhaps they vetted the fans before letting them on stage: "Do you desire the clothing of your idol? Yes? NEXT!"
Bo
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Post by donilpark on Jan 4, 2006 18:11:23 GMT -5
I'll just say the ages of the characters without spoiling anything. Sungjae, the chikenman is 48. His wife is 46. The doctor is 46. Sungmi is 43, Sungmin 35. The lender is 48. And finally Jungwoo is 27. (your estimates are pretty off, Bo. ) Anyway, I know what it is, because the show was so good I couldn't help but watch it nonstop to episode 43, but I'll just keep quiet and enjoy watching you making guesses.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 4, 2006 21:04:52 GMT -5
I wonder how long this drama goes on, because when Jung-woo and Seo-young were comparing driver's licenses, their ages were 24 and 25, with just a few months between them, according to the dialogue. (The story website has them at 27 and 26...ok, no point in over thinking this.)
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Post by TheBo on Jan 5, 2006 12:47:51 GMT -5
So, any of the following are old enough to be the father: Sung-jae Chickenman, Sung-Doc, and my Dad.
Let's just see how this works out.
Bo
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Post by TheBo on Jan 9, 2006 9:46:16 GMT -5
OMIGAW OMIGAW WHAT IF WHAT IF WHAT IF...okay. I just had the most amazing thought. What if Jung-woo IS the brother? I mean, what if HIS father is the father of the three brothers! Whoa. Whoa. What a thought. What if after their father died, this woman came to them and said she had his child and was too poor to take care of him and gave him to Sung-jae (Chixman) and Sung-mi was sooooo p-o'd she claimed they'd send the kid to an orphanage? But they didn't! He's their brother, not their son!
Huh? HUHHH?
No spoilers or hints from those in the know, please, LOL.
Bo
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 9, 2006 15:30:29 GMT -5
Bo, I don't KNOW--but I think you have a good theory, especially since somebody early on said something that made Jung-woo and his brother look into the mirror together and say, yeah, look at our faces, we have to be brothers! And Chknman's wife jumped into an argument and scolded her son, before the aunt could do it, because the mother was afraid what aunt would say, the mother confessed to the aunt later. Also, Chknman was afraid to go home so he sat on the park bench after confronting the lender-did you see that part? His memories of Jung-woo....it's more than a hint of his problem, it's why he can't tell Jung-woo the truth.
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Post by TheBo on Jan 9, 2006 15:37:49 GMT -5
Neh, ginnycat, I have not yet seen the memories of Jung-woo by Chxman on the park bench, LOL. I forgot your original thing (top of this thread) about the accountant, though--was Hye-sun the factory accountant? The more this goes on, the more it looks like someone trying to take a second (better, smarter, more successful) stab at "My Precious Child"--or is that just me, LOL.
Bo
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Post by CaptainVideo on Jun 2, 2006 8:41:45 GMT -5
Hey, I'm still a bit unclear on the concept here....Now, apparently Heysun has said that Jungwoo has the attributes of his father, and the storyline has led to the fact that since Hyesun was not married to Grandfather Han at the time of his death, Jungwoo could not be listed in the family registry thus causing him to be listed as Sungjae's "son", does this mean he was born out of wedlock, or does this still leave questions as to the identity of the father?
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Post by TheBo on Jun 2, 2006 9:56:48 GMT -5
No, she was married to him! I'm sure of it. But I'm only on episode 53, LOL. You know, she might not have been registered as his wife yet, though, when he died. THAT leads to all sorts of problems.
I thought the problem was, she had disappeared and they needed the evidence of the mother to get him on the register as the Han father's son, so Sung-jae just said he was HIS son.
Bo
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Post by CaptainVideo on Jun 2, 2006 13:03:11 GMT -5
Something still doesn't make sense to me though, even if they were married for a day before he passed away, she'd still be considered a widow, right? She had to have been registered with the family. Was Jungwoo conceived before the marriage? It just doesn't add up...... I don't recall this aspect of the relationship being clearly defined in the story, or did I totally miss it? Furthermore, if she never remarried how come she has no photographs of her with hubby around the house, only holding Jungwoo as an infant? Was he already dead when she helped Ilho embezzle the company funds? It seems Grandpa Han and Ilho's dad were the founders of the company, so how much older was Grandpa than her? Are they all just assuming that she was faithful and Jungwoo must be their brother?
I do know that there is some stigma about being widowed, in that as a girl you're taken care of by your father, as a wife by your husband and in the unfortunate case that you're widowed, by your son; if you have no son, you're an outcast. I don't get it....
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Post by TheBo on Jun 2, 2006 13:16:41 GMT -5
No, she did NOT "have" to be registered. That is entirely in the lap of the married couple, NOT the State, and if they had not gotten that round tuit, they were not registered and consequently, any offspring were not "legal." I know that after someone dies, you can take their name off the register somehow, but I don't know how this works. My information on this, by the way, comes entirely from the drama Wife. I'm sure there's someone here with better first-hand info on the matter.
Yes, he was definitely already dead when she assisted in the embezzlement. Ilho seems to have promised her money to raise her child and convinced her this was the only way to get it, then backed out of the deal. Also, Jung-woo was born after the Han patriarch died. It seems that all of the Han children considered her to be their "mother" until she ran out on them. So, it appears that Sung-jae had every intention of taking care of her after his father died, but she either did not believe that or did not know it.
Bo
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jun 2, 2006 21:44:48 GMT -5
Ilho probably worked on her, casting doubt on her future, eating away at her confidence, the bast# D! Hye-sun seemed to love Mr. Han and got a doting look when she said Jung-woo looked so much like his father. Sung-jae and Hye-sun are the same age, which seems awkward. But he was married then, I guess, because Seonok remembers the old times too.
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