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Post by Lovely on Nov 3, 2005 9:05:18 GMT -5
As if Hee-joo doesn't have enough problems with Ki-joon! She really can't hold in her anger or bite her tongue. This girl will say whatever she has on her mind regardless of how other people feel about it. I can't believe she sat there at her mother's dinner table openly insulting her husband, "Maybe he doesn't love his wife. Any man would do anything for his wife. But not him." But before that, she even pushed his buttons at home nagging him, "So does In-young have a serious illness? Was it that important that you had to go see her?"
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Hee-joo
Nov 3, 2005 11:13:55 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Nov 3, 2005 11:13:55 GMT -5
Yes, Lovely, Hee-joo is her own worst enemy. Granted, she's saddled with a husband who doesn't love her (much--I think he could come to love her in a non-passionate way if she would just be less of a bitch), but that's because she FORCED him to marry her . . . But she could make it better by being charming to him, making their home life more pleasant so he wants to come home. I realize that could sound anti-feminist, but it's only practical. She refuses to realize how things really are; she acts as though Ki-joon should just be in love with her because she wants him to be, she shouldn't have to do anything she doesn't want to do, she's never at fault, everyone should let her spout off whenever, etc. If she doesn't like the way things are, she should ask herself what she's doing to make things worse, and then make an effort to change herself, since the only person you can really control is yourself.
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Hee-joo
Nov 9, 2005 13:17:41 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Nov 9, 2005 13:17:41 GMT -5
I don't think it's anti-feminist to try to make your home life pleasant, rather than spouting off and saying anything that comes to mind. (However, in Hee-joo's defense, she's got a helluva problem in her MIL. HJ: "I decided to stop taking pills, mother." MIL: "Wonderful! That's so good! Now, drink oriental medicine, I know it makes you retch, but do it for wonderful li'l ol' me." HJ: "I have to run upstairs in distress now!") You're right, HJ has to change herself to try to change him. She'll never change MIL, but she seemed to understand how to manipulate her before they were married, I don't know why she thinks she doesn't have to do that now. Also, there is something weird about this actress's (Hee-joo) delivery. When she drops her bombs ("Mom! What if I divorce!" "Omanim! You're so stupid!") she says it in the same tone of voice, with the same expression, as she does when she says "I love you" or "I love this painting"! All bright, perky and calm. It's kind of creepy.
Bo
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Hee-joo
Nov 9, 2005 22:35:03 GMT -5
Post by soapygrams on Nov 9, 2005 22:35:03 GMT -5
.. . . She refuses to realize how things really are; .. .. she shouldn't have to do anything she doesn't want to do, she's never at fault, everyone should let her spout off whenever, etc. If she doesn't like the way things are, she should ask herself what she's doing to make things worse, and then make an effort to change herself, since the only person you can really control is yourself. LOL - are you talking about Screechy or HJ? This description would surely fit SM .. guess Ki joon married his mother .. LOL ... I don't like his character .. his love is closer to obsession just like HJ's professed love of him .. there is such selifishness being displayed here by SM, KY and HJ. The only ones in that household who are not like that are Aunt, Uncle and Bo bae ... [repaired quote - Bo]
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Hee-joo
Nov 11, 2005 22:21:56 GMT -5
Post by AintNoFool on Nov 11, 2005 22:21:56 GMT -5
Heejoo knew what she was getting into. For the love of Prada, we all know if your husband isn't happy getting his groove on during the honeymoon, you can hang that marriage up, chief. And why, WHY does she do that annoying lip bite thing when she is angry. Her eyes get all cross-eyed and googly. It really works on my nerves. She asked for the situation, and now she is all mad because Pufferfish (Kijoon...His facial cheeks...) doesn't love her. Girlfriend, you knew he didn't!
Today she was like, what? because Pufferfish said he didn't want to have a baby. Correction: he didn't want YOU to have his baby. And will she stop calling IY about Pufferfish??. And will he please get a backbone!!!!!!!
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Hee-joo
Nov 17, 2005 0:36:30 GMT -5
Post by Teresa on Nov 17, 2005 0:36:30 GMT -5
(I like AintNoFool's delivery, so I'll try to continue on that vein!): And WHY in Tunguska does Inyoung always answer her cell phone when she knows Heejoo is calling?! It's been established that they can see who the incoming call is -- put the bloomin' thing on silence. Speaking of cell phones, when I first started watching this drama I half wondered if it was a soft sale infomercial for cell phones. Most of the dialogue takes place on a cell phone it seems, (except for Aunt and Grandfather, who are rapidly becoming my favorite characters). But I do have to hand it to the actor and actress who play Kijoon and Inyoung, to have to cry THAT much in a series... whew! Their tear ducts must've taken a beating!
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Hee-joo
Nov 17, 2005 11:22:39 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Nov 17, 2005 11:22:39 GMT -5
So funny, Teresa. Yup, the cell phone plays a huge part in all these dramas. It was one of the first things I noticed! Everyone is always calling each other. I wonder if Korean society is really like that. But it strikes me as laziness on the part of the drama's creators. It's a crude way to get things to move along, because you never have to arrange for any two characters to be in the same place at once. Anyone can just call anyone else up out of the blue. So many plot devices hinge on (1) stuff that gets said and arranged over the phone and (2) people's running into each other accidentally. Whatever would they do without those two things? Oh, other overused settings/cliches: Two characters sitting across from each other having a drink (mostly untouched) at a restaurant or cafe, brooding by the Hangang (Han River), poor person marrying into rich family and refusing the gift of a house, . . . And what's Tunguska?
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Hee-joo
Nov 17, 2005 11:46:11 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Nov 17, 2005 11:46:11 GMT -5
I think this cellphone thing touches on how people interact with each other in Korean society. That link I gave about cafes in Seoul has other articles and podcasts, and from my "research" there it appears that people can't normally afford to have people over to their homes. Therefore, they meet in cafes and hang out, and if they want to talk with each other, they call. It's also normal to go from movie to restaurant to cafe to soju tent to cafe to karaoke bar--you can go to 9 or 10 different places in one night. I forget what it's called, it's like a Korean concept of "pub crawl" with a lot more variety in destinations.
Bo
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Hee-joo
Nov 17, 2005 13:40:47 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Nov 17, 2005 13:40:47 GMT -5
Wow, they can't afford to have people over but they can afford to do all that in an evening? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but then I haven't listened to the podcast.
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Hee-joo
Nov 17, 2005 13:54:16 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Nov 17, 2005 13:54:16 GMT -5
Yeah, Luce, I haven't quite figured it out either, but this guy says it an awful lot--"Koreans can't normally afford to have people in their homes"--so I am trying to piece the info together.
Bo
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Hee-joo
Nov 17, 2005 14:32:21 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Nov 17, 2005 14:32:21 GMT -5
Maybe they feel they have to go all out for guests. But then again, even a very special meal at home would be on a part with visits to 9 or 10 outside places. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to live and learn. I'll ask Chang-hoon about it when we get close enough.
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Hee-joo
Nov 17, 2005 14:55:13 GMT -5
Post by Teresa on Nov 17, 2005 14:55:13 GMT -5
Ahhh... actually, what Bo brings up about not affording to entertain at home makes sense relative to a piece I had read not that long ago on Korean hospitality. Evidentally, when one is invited to another's home, it is customary to really lay on a spread (in America... we ask what you want on your pizza or scrabble about the 'fridge! LOL!). So that sort of makes sense to me if what I read was true.
P.S. Tunguska is in Siberia. I just learned about it from my 10 year-old who had to write a report on the 1908 comet that hit there and wiped out a forest. I sort of fancied the name!
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Hee-joo
Nov 17, 2005 18:16:32 GMT -5
Post by Soju unlogged on Nov 17, 2005 18:16:32 GMT -5
One of the things I was struck by in the drama "To Be with You" was, since it took place in 1975, there were no cell phones. They still all met at the cafe, though.
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Hee-joo
Nov 17, 2005 18:34:56 GMT -5
Post by ginnycat5 on Nov 17, 2005 18:34:56 GMT -5
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Hee-joo
Nov 29, 2005 16:16:54 GMT -5
Post by Lovely on Nov 29, 2005 16:16:54 GMT -5
I felt bad for her when she ran into SM at the mall. She saw SM all happy looking for baby items that are obviously for IY.
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