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Post by Tim on Jan 31, 2006 1:00:37 GMT -5
Now that I look back, my comments about the illegal immigrants were harsh. I apologize if I offended anyone. Pretend I never said that.
OK, so let me get one thing straight: are you saying that China has the right to barricade herself up or to open up to the world? Because before, you were saying China can lock herself up, but now, you are saying that you wouldn't mind China opening up to the world.
Taiwanese people are weird. I don't care if I insult anyone, because I'm Taiwanese, and I do think it's odd that Taiwanese hate Chinese and love Japanese. Blah, w/e.
I think we're going down the wrong road with Japan declining. I meant that dispite Japan declining, it still was the number one in Asia. I believe it is because Japan, unlike China, opened up to the West. I'm not trying to discuss why Japan is declining. I'm trying to discuss why Japan rose during the age of Imperialism.
What I meant about Tibet that you should be very pro-Tibetan and antiHan people, because generally speaking, Tibetans should not be included as one of the Chinese minorities. You said you were angry that the foreigners invaded China, but look what China is doing to Tibet and Xinjiang. Isn't that sort of the same thing? Tibet and xinjiang can close her doors off to China, just like China can close her door off to the world, if we go by your logic.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 31, 2006 14:01:01 GMT -5
Tim, are you saying that conquering and occupying a country is the same thing as trading with it??
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Post by Tim on Jan 31, 2006 19:42:09 GMT -5
Tim, are you saying that conquering and occupying a country is the same thing as trading with it?? Er... I don't get what you are trying to say?? Which example did you get that from? China-Tibet, China-Taiwan, japan-Taiwan, so on. Please be a bit specific for me please.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 31, 2006 20:19:45 GMT -5
Tibet and xinjiang can close her doors off to China, just like China can close her door off to the world, if we go by your logic. I'm not sure how you meant this-using "close her doors" to describe both invasion and trade? Unless I missed the whole point.
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Post by PRLA on Jan 31, 2006 23:12:57 GMT -5
OK, so let me get one thing straight: are you saying that China has the right to barricade herself up or to open up to the world? Because before, you were saying China can lock herself up, but now, you are saying that you wouldn't mind China opening up to the world. Every country has a right to free world trade. Or to choose to have a local economy. I think we're going down the wrong road with Japan declining. I meant that dispite Japan declining, it still was the number one in Asia. I believe it is because Japan, unlike China, opened up to the West. I'm not trying to discuss why Japan is declining. I'm trying to discuss why Japan rose during the age of Imperialism. It is part of the reason yes. But it is mostly due to japan being a country of invading warrior. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JapanWhat I meant about Tibet that you should be very pro-Tibetan and antiHan people, because generally speaking, Tibetans should not be included as one of the Chinese minorities. I think this is your own opinion on things. I am not going to choose sides because someone tells me too?. I willl not say i like this group over this one... You said you were angry that the foreigners invaded China, but look what China is doing to Tibet and Xinjiang. Isn't that sort of the same thing? Tibet and xinjiang can close her doors off to China, just like China can close her door off to the world, if we go by your logic. Things have a way of working itself out. I suppose this could be considered an even trade?
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Post by Tim on Feb 1, 2006 1:33:45 GMT -5
To ginnycat: I meant that before the communist had power in Tibet and Xinjiang, the two places could have closed themselves up from China. Sorry if it sounded confusing. To PRLA: Japan was an invading country, but so was China. The Manchurians conquered Ming and other small empires. Yet, they still lost to the foreigners and Japanese. Things have not worked out between Xinjiang and Tibet. The Dalai Lama is still running about, and many Turks and Muslims demand Xinjiang independence. As far as I'm concern, there are far more supporters for Tibet and Xinjiang Independence than there are for Taiwan Independence (that was sort of random ) OK, if things truly had worked out, then you shouldn't be that mad at Western countries. China is pretty good friends with Hungary and other Slavic nations from my point of view (who were once part of the Soviet, China's biggest enemy at that time). I think the Chinese politicians also support Europeans because the Europeans will help China suppress America, who is anti-Chinese, no?
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Post by lungs on Feb 1, 2006 13:06:45 GMT -5
America is not anti-Chinese, its anti-competition
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Post by ginnycat5 on Feb 1, 2006 15:30:52 GMT -5
Doesn't China (among others) restrict the products that they allow in? I don't know what the solution is, but getting wages down to third world levels is not doing the American workers any good.
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Post by chigirl68 on Feb 1, 2006 16:41:30 GMT -5
The U.S does it's part on deterring import of certain items with "anti-dumping" duties on articles that are readily produced in the U.S. And I have been reading all of your posts and thinking, Wow this is not getting out of hand. Please do not let it get out of hand. Tim, you are saying America is anti-Chinese? And lungs, America is anti-competition. Now is that politically, corporate, or are you generalizing every American to hate Chinese (and competition - of what?)
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Post by ginnycat5 on Feb 1, 2006 18:36:33 GMT -5
Chigirl, your icon is adorable!!
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Post by Tim on Feb 1, 2006 20:15:03 GMT -5
Chigirl and PRLA, you may call me a hypocrite, a paradox, or w/e, but I am a Chinese (first generation) living in America... currently.
Apparently, there has been some sort of confusion. When I say America is anti-Chinese, I meant the government people, like George Bush and people like that. I do think they are anti-Chinese, because recently, I've read an article in a newspaper saying that the Americans are training Japanese troops (and Japan is America's REAL CURRENT competitor, mind you) to fight against China should a war ever errupt (even though they know darn well that Japan had terribly defeated China before). The newspaper said so itself that Americans want the Japanese to defeat the Chinese because of Taiwan reasons and also the Yasukuni reasons.
Sorry if it seems weird, im typing in a rush. I'll post again later, probably.
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Post by Tim on Feb 1, 2006 20:27:42 GMT -5
I just want to add that I read that in LA times, which is an American source.
If America is so anti-competition, then America shouldn't help Japan so much, because (correct if I'm wrong) Japan is the world's second leading country. America should be anti-Japan, and anti-Europe (they sort of are...) if they are anticompetition.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Feb 1, 2006 21:32:48 GMT -5
I think part of the story is that China is very big, its economy is growing quickly, and it has lots of weapons and very many soldiers. Strategy for the long term is not one of America's strengths, unfortunately. Self-interest versus paranoia or cool analysis versus self-delusion--it's difficult to determine.
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Post by PRLA on Feb 2, 2006 2:05:25 GMT -5
To PRLA: Japan was an invading country, but so was China. The Manchurians conquered Ming and other small empires. Yet, they still lost to the foreigners and Japanese. They lost to foreigners because of internal fighting. But here is a link with lots of info. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChinaThings have not worked out between Xinjiang and Tibet. The Dalai Lama is still running about, and many Turks and Muslims demand Xinjiang independence. As far as I'm concern, there are far more supporters for Tibet and Xinjiang Independence than there are for Taiwan Independence (that was sort of random ) The Dalai Lama seems to be using the media to promote more of himself then on freedom.. Some cases he uses it as a political weapon. But this will not bring peace and independence. Talking and negotiations are far more productive. Chinese politicians also support Europeans because the Europeans will help China suppress America, who is anti-Chinese, no? What are you talking about? Europe would never do that. But it is true that china and europe are both on the UNSC Doesn't China (among others) restrict the products that they allow in? I don't know what the solution is, but getting wages down to third world levels is not doing the American workers any good. They do not restrict imports unless it is unsafe. But they are good at counterfeiting goods. I have a fake gucci belt. You can tell the differences between the real and fake ones. Apparently, there has been some sort of confusion. When I say America is anti-Chinese, I meant the government people, like George Bush and people like that. I do think they are anti-Chinese, because recently, I've read an article in a newspaper saying that the Americans are training Japanese troops (and Japan is America's REAL CURRENT competitor, mind you) to fight against China should a war ever errupt (even though they know darn well that Japan had terribly defeated China before). The newspaper said so itself that Americans want the Japanese to defeat the Chinese because of Taiwan reasons and also the Yasukuni reasons. Not everyone agrees with the president of a country. But it unfortunately represents all of the people. Oh be careful what you read. Some newspapers news stories are tabloidish. If America is so anti-competition, then America shouldn't help Japan so much, because (correct if I'm wrong) Japan is the world's second leading country. America should be anti-Japan, and anti-Europe (they sort of are...) if they are anticompetition. America is not anticompetitive. It just wants to be the number one contender. america is helping japan because it invests a lot in them. It only invests in countries it will gain something from.
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Post by chigirl68 on Feb 2, 2006 8:54:35 GMT -5
Thanks for your responses Tim and PRLA. I didn't mean to sound like I was picking a fight or anything of the sort. PRLA, you are right that the entire population of a country is judged by the rest of the world by it's political actions. Our government has made some pretty bad decisions in it's short history. In doing that our government has created some really bad situations. Also I agree that you cannot believe all news. My Mom told me (to be skeptical) believe half of what your read and none of what you hear. Too many journalists (I used the term loosely) embellish and out right lie. This makes the honest ones (few; like politicians) job more difficult. I live in America (obviously) but I do not agree with everything that our government does and why they do it. One good thing is that we have a right to form civilian groups to protest and try to make changes. Whether it works or not, you just need to persist and see. One such group is ONEGinny, thanks!
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