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Post by Tim on Dec 5, 2006 20:08:40 GMT -5
Well, Bo, I think it's kind of odd to forget your passport while traveling... that's like saying you forgot to bring your license while driving. I was a bit hyped up because Ducky was exaggerating what I was saying and completely demonizing all those who don't share the same view as him... but still, isn't it funny that people forget to bring their passports with them while traveling with them? It is possible that they were doing illegal activities at the borders (smuggling drugs or people... who knows). True, I have no irrefutable evidence that those Tibetans were drug dealers, but neither do you, for they had no passports. If a Mexican try to do that by the US borders, wouldn't the US guards suspect him as well?
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Post by JjJ on Dec 5, 2006 22:18:37 GMT -5
but still, isn't it funny that people forget to bring their passports with them while traveling with them? It is possible that they were doing illegal activities at the borders (smuggling drugs or people... who knows). True, I have no irrefutable evidence that those Tibetans were drug dealers, but neither do you, for they had no passports. If a Mexican try to do that by the US borders, wouldn't the US guards suspect him as well? Yes. I think it is also rather odd that someone does not have any documentation while traveling abroad. Hence Sneaking into a country to do malicious things. Thats what is happening to the US boarder. There are drug mafias that use the US boarder to traffic drugs. The boarder patrol can only do so much. How does America deal with the situation? We offer these undocumented people the ability to work and to legally buy homes in the US. If the US had a harder stance,then maybe so many people would not be illegally visiting.
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Post by Superiority on Dec 6, 2006 1:18:53 GMT -5
Wait, so just because US does this, China can too? Besides, Japan is not doing anything like this. Therefore, how can you say that Japan is merciless while China is doing this right now? These "alleged" war crimes by Tojo Hideki you Chinese nationalists are saying happened in WWII, but Chinese persecution of innocents continue to this day, and they still deny it; therefore, why should Japan be the one to take the blame? There is no proof yet as to what china has done or is doing. It is under investigation. It is all speculation over a supposed video. Which by the way is a fake. It was made as a student film using CGI. It was broadcasted on a pbs show. However japan has denied its treacherous history. take a look for yourself. www.scaruffi.com/politics/japanese.htmlAs late as 2002,Japan surrounded and attacked an unarmed fishing boat. www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/jap-j09.shtmlJapanese also sympathizes with the Nazis. www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/gerjap01.htmNow japan admits it has the capability to make nuclear bombs. But supposedly does not plan to make one. On Thursday, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso said his country has the technological know-how to produce a nuclear weapon, but has no immediate plans to do so. "Japan is capable of producing nuclear weapons," Aso told a parliamentary committee on security issues. "But we are not saying we have plans to possess nuclear weapons." ap.washingtontimes.com/dynamic/stories/K/KOREAS_NUCLEAR?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOMENone of your links are credible sources. Just because Japan was allied with Nazis in WWII doesn't mean people who support Tojo Hideki are supporters of Nazis! Tojo Hideki was a great man who did what was best for Japan.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 6, 2006 3:00:47 GMT -5
..... because Ducky was exaggerating what I was saying and completely demonizing all those who don't share the same view as him... ... And you've never done that?
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Post by TheBo on Dec 6, 2006 17:28:05 GMT -5
Sigh. Okay, okay, I won't try to make you guys make sense any more. Just beat each other up. Try not to get too ugly, or I'll have to close the thread. And keep it localized; don't spill over onto the rest of the board.
Bo
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Post by Tim on Dec 6, 2006 19:23:08 GMT -5
..... because Ducky was exaggerating what I was saying and completely demonizing all those who don't share the same view as him... ... And you've never done that? Not to the point where I call anyone who is against me morons and randomly accusing others of being communists... And btw, since this IS a debate, let's just drop the name calling game, shall we? I don't care if you wish to continue it, actually. I'll just ignore your name calling until you decide to challenge me with facts.
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Post by JjJ on Dec 7, 2006 2:21:17 GMT -5
None of your links are credible sources. Just because Japan was allied with Nazis in WWII doesn't mean people who support Tojo Hideki are supporters of Nazis! Tojo Hideki was a great man who did what was best for Japan. Did I say People who support Tojo Hideki are all nazis? No i did not say such a thing. I said Japanese people sympathize with Nazis, then gave a link. Please get your facts strait before you make any acusations Superiority. Tojo Hideki a great man? Hardly. He embarassed the emporer of japan for making many poor military decisions. It eventually lead to the fall of saipan. Also he was tried and convicted of War crimes against humanity by the war tribunal. Here afew things he was convicted of: count 1 (waging wars of aggression, and war or wars in violation of international law) count 27 (waging unprovoked war against the Republic of China) count 29 (waging aggressive war against the United States) count 31 (waging aggressive war against the British Commonwealth) count 32 (waging aggressive war against the Netherlands (Indonesia)) count 33 (waging aggressive war against France (Indochina)) count 54 (ordering, authorizing, and permitting inhumane treatment of Prisoners of War (POWs) and others) Tojo is often considered responsible for authorizing the murder of more than 8 million civilians in China, Korea, the Philippines, Indo-china, and other Pacific island nations, as well tens of thousands of Allied POW's. Tojo is also implicated in government-sanctioned experiments on POW's and Chinese civilians (see Unit 731). Like his German colleagues, Tojo often claimed to be carrying out the orders of the Emperor, who was granted immunity from war crimes prosecution. The culpability of the Showa Emperor himself is a subject of some controversy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tojomore information can be found at google. www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Tojo+Hideki+&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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Post by Tim on Dec 28, 2006 23:47:38 GMT -5
I would denounce Superiority... but looks like JjJ did the dirty work for me. Oh, but he did brought up a new topic (well, not really, just a shocking article I've found).
Here's the link:http://www.japanfocus.org/products/details/2151
What's your opinion on this, JjJ and Superiority? I would curse like crazy, but I unfortunately don't have the time to do this. I have other matters to attend to.
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Post by JjJ on Dec 30, 2006 1:21:07 GMT -5
I would denounce Superiority... but looks like JjJ did the dirty work for me. Oh, but he did brought up a new topic (well, not really, just a shocking article I've found). Here's the link:http://www.japanfocus.org/products/details/2151 What's your opinion on this, JjJ and Superiority? I would curse like crazy, but I unfortunately don't have the time to do this. I have other matters to attend to. Other matters? hmm..... My thoughts Honestly it does not surprise me that Tojo Hideki would think like that. She obviously idolizes her great grand father. Whom she, by the way remembers nothing about. It is her right, if she wants to make a fool of herself at the expense of japan. I enjoyed reading the Q&A of her. It makes her look like she is in complete denial of Japanese atrocities. Or uneducated of factual ww2 events. She either says "It did not happen, or I was not there." as a response. Her answers are quite comical. Q&A session with Tojo Hideki from Tim's link Tojo Hideki Japan should have pride in these things and they should be taught. We should properly explain the international situation at the time, and what the Tokyo Trials were all about. How terrible the situation was. We were surrounded and facing attack. We had no oil, or steel and all our assets abroad were seized. How were we to protect all those millions of Japanese except by standing up for ourselves?You could make the same arguments for Hitler, though, couldn’t you? He loved his country too. That’s different. He killed his own people – Jews. Japan might not have killed Jews, but it is accused of massacring millions of Chinese. That was in battle. Please don’t confuse the two. Do you know what benhei (soldiers masquerading as civilians) means? They are soldiers who hide among civilians and attack the Japanese army from behind. You can only tell once you capture them. Australians, British and Americans probably don’t know, but in what is referred to as the Nanjing Massacre there were many such people. Western journalists all believe this Nanjing Massacre. The Chinese say 300,000 were killed. There were media representatives from 150 countries. And as the army entered (she uses the word nyujyo here, which means to enter a city triumphantly) Nanjing and began their assault on the city’s castle these reporters were running alongside them. That’s how important the Japanese side thought this was. A safety area was set up with 200,000 under John Rabe and the International Committee for the Nanjing Safety Zone. So how could 300,000 people have been killed? I’ve heard that argument many times before. The truth is nobody knows exactly how many people were there, but certainly the numbers were swelled by refugees from outside the city. We don’t have to get bogged down in figures to know that the army behaved brutally. There were many witnesses, including Rabe, who even as a Nazi was shocked at the behavior of the troops. There was only one witness at the Tokyo trials who said he actually saw what had happened. The rest was complete rumor and hearsay ( denbun bakkari ). Rabe was not the only witness. There were reporters there, including one from the New York Times , another from the Manchester Guardian , not to mention thousands of Chinese civilians. The truth is coming out now. Fujioka-san (of the Society for History Textbook Reform) has researched this and shown one-by-one how the photographs of the incident were faked by the Chinese side. I’m sure there is probably some faked evidence, but how can you only focus on the molehill of evidence that supports your claim and ignore the mountain that refutes it? (Impatiently) Anyway, the truth doesn’t just come from one side. You have to look at what really happened from all sides because there is so much hearsay.
Do you think the Emperor bore any responsibility for what happened? None at all; his majesty wanted peace above all. ( Heika wa akumademo heiwa wo motometeita ) . The emperor is a special existence ( tokubetsu na sonzai). He is not little normal people. The Japanese Imperial Family is not like the English royal family. He was respected deeply by Japanese people who happily gave up their lives for him. People died saying: Long Live the Emperor! They didn’t shout: Long Live General Tojo! 2.6 million of these people are in Yasukuni and that’s why we should go there to pay our respects. I really want that with all my heart.
China has the right to protest though doesn’t it? Japan invaded their country and killed millions. China played no part in the San Francisco Treaty. Countries that were not involved in the treaty or the Tokyo Trials have no right to talk about war criminals now. So why is China complaining now? The Japanese fought the Nationalists (KMT) not the Communists. It is now a completely different country. China and Japan later signed a treaty and war criminals and prisoners were released. The word war criminal ( senpan ) does not exist in that treaty. They should abide by that treaty. It is unforgivable ( zettai yurusanai ) that they continue to interfere in our domestic affairs.
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Post by Tim on Dec 30, 2006 17:04:49 GMT -5
That's what I thought, too, JjJ. Plus, she seems to use "My grandfather loved his country" as an excuse for all the mass murder. Lol, that being said, if Kim Jong-Il of North Korea decided to massacre Japan, Kim Jong-Il can get away too, by saying he loved his country and was only avenging his forefathers' death.
Oh yeah, for the last part, China is unforgivable for interferring with Japan's so called "domestic" affairs, then pray tell, why does Japan interfere with Taiwan, Tibet, and Mongolia? Oh...
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Post by JjJ on Dec 30, 2006 21:38:02 GMT -5
Ah Tim, but your also forgetting the excuse to fight for oil steel and monitary assets abroad. ;D
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Post by Tim on Dec 31, 2006 3:40:21 GMT -5
Ah Tim, but your also forgetting the excuse to fight for oil steel and monitary assets abroad. ;D But I have proof, and science will prove you wrong: 216.220.97.17/benefit.htm
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Post by Tim on Dec 31, 2006 3:43:16 GMT -5
Ah Tim, but your also forgetting the excuse to fight for oil steel and monitary assets abroad. ;D No Excuse necessary: LINK
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