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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2006 23:32:02 GMT -5
Tim, my point was that there is a process to be followed before punishment is meted out, and that's not within the purview of the military or the police of any country. I wasn't saying they should "let them go"--I was saying, they didn't have a right to SHOOT them. The military has the job to capture and gather evidence against suspicious persons, and to engage in fighting with armed militants. These were not armed militants. And JjJ, as a matter of a fact, I am aware the CIA has been involved in shady, disreputable, illegal and immoral dealings at many points and places. What does that have to do with the actions of the Chinese military? Perhaps you believe I should shut my mouth in embarrassment due to my jingoism. Well, I don't have any. If my cousin steals a car, that doesn't mean it's all right for my enemy to steal a car. They're both wrong, and I have the duty to speak out on both matters. Bo True, the Chinese government probably was too harsh. However, this could also be a personal belief; some people are anti-capital punishment, others are not. What I'm saying is those Tibetans aren't innocent either; where's their passport? If a driver who drove without a license continues to drive despite the cops telling him to pull over, then isn't he a criminal? If a criminal refuses to listen to the cops, then of course, the police may make rather hasty decisions. I agree that the Chinese guards should have stopped and think better, but those Tibetans aren't as innocent as you portray them.
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Post by turtlemaster on Nov 22, 2006 12:44:18 GMT -5
I do not know what u guys r talking about
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Post by Superiority on Dec 2, 2006 23:29:23 GMT -5
The Chinese have no right to shoot down those Tibetans; not even the Taliban were that harsh on illegal emigrants. As you all know, the Chinese persecuted the Tibetans because of their religious beliefs. The same thing with Falun Gong. They only admitted recently that they kill people and sell their organs illegally. US has no right to shoot and torture Iraq people. US persecute them for their religious beliefs too. So what you acuse china of doing,is no different from what other countries are doing around the world. Wait, so just because US does this, China can too? Besides, Japan is not doing anything like this. Therefore, how can you say that Japan is merciless while China is doing this right now? These "alleged" war crimes by Tojo Hideki you Chinese nationalists are saying happened in WWII, but Chinese persecution of innocents continue to this day, and they still deny it; therefore, why should Japan be the one to take the blame?
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Post by DDucky on Dec 3, 2006 0:16:57 GMT -5
US has no right to shoot and torture Iraq people. Yes we do....Anyone who is against the War on Terror is Pro-terrorist...
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Post by Tim on Dec 3, 2006 1:23:42 GMT -5
US has no right to shoot and torture Iraq people. US persecute them for their religious beliefs too. So what you acuse china of doing,is no different from what other countries are doing around the world. Wait, so just because US does this, China can too? Besides, Japan is not doing anything like this. Therefore, how can you say that Japan is merciless while China is doing this right now? These "alleged" war crimes by Tojo Hideki you Chinese nationalists are saying happened in WWII, but Chinese persecution of innocents continue to this day, and they still deny it; therefore, why should Japan be the one to take the blame? You have no proof that Chinese are continuing their persecutions on innocent people; we have already discussed why those Tibetans weren't innocent. And if you're going to bring up something like the Sujiatun thing, well, sorry, but we've disapproved that as well several pages back. Ducky: Well, I thought the war in Afghan was the real war on terror. Whatever, but were there not reports of American soldiers killing innocent Iraqis?
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Post by DDucky on Dec 3, 2006 3:37:09 GMT -5
Ducky: Well, I thought the war in Afghan was the real war on terror. The war on terror is being fought on many fronts... Whatever, but were there not reports of American soldiers killing innocent Iraqis? So, you are holding America at fault for accidentally causing the unfortunate deaths of a few innocent Iraqis, while at the same time saving 100's of thousands of innocent lives around the world from terrorist attacks..... But at the same time you are giving China a "pass" on gunning down several Tibetans in cold blood? ?? Can you say racist??? I thought you could....
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Post by Tim on Dec 3, 2006 22:35:47 GMT -5
Cold blood? Did you actually read my post? Those Tibetans had no passports! How in the world is shooting them down cold-blood? I can argue that the Chinese border guards just saved Nepal from a bunch of Tibetan drug dealers. Now what would you say about that?
And in the end, you admit to the fact that America killed innocent people. I admit to the fact that China has killed innocent people, and I am ashamed of that (I really am), but you? I still don't understand why it's OK for America to shoot innocent Iraqis. Nothing gives anyone the right to kill innocents. In fact, I dare you to go to the innocent victims' homes and tell them that they deserved to die for the safety of America.
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Post by JjJ on Dec 4, 2006 0:11:46 GMT -5
Wait, so just because US does this, China can too? Besides, Japan is not doing anything like this. Therefore, how can you say that Japan is merciless while China is doing this right now? These "alleged" war crimes by Tojo Hideki you Chinese nationalists are saying happened in WWII, but Chinese persecution of innocents continue to this day, and they still deny it; therefore, why should Japan be the one to take the blame? There is no proof yet as to what china has done or is doing. It is under investigation. It is all speculation over a supposed video. Which by the way is a fake. It was made as a student film using CGI. It was broadcasted on a pbs show. However japan has denied its treacherous history. take a look for yourself. www.scaruffi.com/politics/japanese.htmlAs late as 2002,Japan surrounded and attacked an unarmed fishing boat. www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/jap-j09.shtmlJapanese also sympathizes with the Nazis. www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/gerjap01.htmNow japan admits it has the capability to make nuclear bombs. But supposedly does not plan to make one. On Thursday, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso said his country has the technological know-how to produce a nuclear weapon, but has no immediate plans to do so. "Japan is capable of producing nuclear weapons," Aso told a parliamentary committee on security issues. "But we are not saying we have plans to possess nuclear weapons." ap.washingtontimes.com/dynamic/stories/K/KOREAS_NUCLEAR?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOMESo, you are holding America at fault for accidentally causing the unfortunate deaths of a few innocent Iraqis, while at the same time saving 100's of thousands of innocent lives around the world from terrorist attacks..... But at the same time you are giving China a "pass" on gunning down several Tibetans in cold blood? ?? Can you say racist??? I thought you could....Racism has nothing to do with it. So stop playing the race card here. America is at fault for its military actions yes. Not all of those killings were accidental. Some killings were for the purpose of enacting in vengeance and rage. So yes some Civilians were killed for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. The supposed video is suppose to explain everything? The video is a fake. Made by a student film maker using computer enhanced imaging effects. Was shown on public tv show as such.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 4, 2006 1:25:23 GMT -5
Cold blood? Did you actually read my post? Those Tibetans had no passports!........ Nothing gives anyone the right to kill innocents. ..... No passport makes it OK for the death penalty? What A FU'd 3rd world country...... You just said nothing gives anyone the right to kill innocents...No passport=Mass murderer? China seems to have the right to kill innocents...who are they to judge....and hold judgment over the "Civilized" countries who are bringing the lesser nations out of the dark ages that have been holding them back for so long.,..
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Post by Tim on Dec 4, 2006 2:01:15 GMT -5
Cold blood? Did you actually read my post? Those Tibetans had no passports!........ Nothing gives anyone the right to kill innocents. ..... No passport makes it OK for the death penalty? What A FU'd 3rd world country...... You just said nothing gives anyone the right to kill innocents...No passport=Mass murderer? China seems to have the right to kill innocents...who are they to judge....and hold judgment over the "Civilized" countries who are bringing the lesser nations out of the dark ages that have been holding them back for so long.,.. Wow, conservative that's anti-capital punishment... well, you meet interesting new people everyday... Guess you support illegal immigrants then, because that's what people who don't have passports are... Right? Yup, and guess what? America is full of it! Again, where's your proof that China is mass killing innocents? I don't see a link...
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Post by Ducky on Dec 4, 2006 5:30:20 GMT -5
[ Wow, conservative that's anti-capital punishment... well, you meet interesting new people everyday... Guess you support illegal immigrants then, because that's what people who don't have passports are... Right? Yup, and guess what? America is full of it! Again, where's your proof that China is mass killing innocents? I don't see a link... So, no passport.... Bullet to the head... Let's see yours....BANG.....Too slow.... That's the one problem with this country, they let people with double standards like you live here...Anything the third world countries ike China wants to do is OK, But America has to put up w/ all the Illegal crap..... Again you you show you are a communist (democrat) and I don't have to worry because it has been shown through history that your way of life will fail, (Russia, W. Germany)), and mine will continue on...
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Post by Tim on Dec 4, 2006 20:33:23 GMT -5
[ Wow, conservative that's anti-capital punishment... well, you meet interesting new people everyday... Guess you support illegal immigrants then, because that's what people who don't have passports are... Right? Yup, and guess what? America is full of it! Again, where's your proof that China is mass killing innocents? I don't see a link... So, no passport.... Bullet to the head... Let's see yours....BANG.....Too slow.... That's the one problem with this country, they let people with double standards like you live here...Anything the third world countries ike China wants to do is OK, But America has to put up w/ all the Illegal crap..... Again you you show you are a communist (democrat) and I don't have to worry because it has been shown through history that your way of life will fail, (Russia, W. Germany)), and mine will continue on... LOL!! That's the funniest thing ever! Let's see... I actually DO HAVE AN AMERICAN PASSPORT, mind you. I've lived in American for over fourteen years, so yes, I do have a passport. In fact, I even voted in my state. I was pro-Republican in my state, too, you know? You seriously need to stop generalizing. Not everyone who lives in America has to worship America and say that nothing the Republican do is ever wrong. And if I'm ever stupid enough to enter a country without my passport, then yes, a bullet through my head is a just punishment for my stupidity. In addition, like I stated above, those Tibetans could have been smuggling drugs into Nepal. So you saying that the Chinese should let that go? And finally, by calling me a communist because you think I'm a liberal (which I'm not; I'm actually 80% conservative), then I can call conservatives all supporters of Fascism. Great job with the name calling game! Although before this gets anymore off-topic, let me say that I surrender to your name calling war, but I do not surrender at all to your pathetic actual debate.
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Post by JjJ on Dec 4, 2006 23:11:50 GMT -5
No passport makes it OK for the death penalty? What A FU'd 3rd world country...... You just said nothing gives anyone the right to kill innocents...No passport=Mass murderer? China seems to have the right to kill innocents...who are they to judge....and hold judgment over the "Civilized" countries who are bringing the lesser nations out of the dark ages that have been holding them back for so long.,.. This point of yours hold no weight. considering you made comments like. What happened to your views on taking care of terrorists at all costs?
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Post by DDucky on Dec 5, 2006 2:39:20 GMT -5
This thread is great!!!!
Every time I want to know why America is in Iraq (et Al) all I have to do is come here and see what would happen if we didn't keep the rest of the world in check....Morons like you would run things and then it would mean the end of the civilized world....
Those who cannot advance civilization try to dumb it down to their own level....
It is very comforting to see that people like you who hate freedoms that are provided by America, and everything it stands for, are too ignorant to do a simple registration & login procedure...
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Post by TheBo on Dec 5, 2006 17:26:44 GMT -5
I don't know why I keep trying to keep this conversation civilized. You know, Ducky, you can have any opinion you want to have, I support your right to that because it's America and that's what we do here. However, you seem to be unable to extend that right to other people who disagree with you. The other posters on this thread are not morons just because they have a different point of view, and telling everyone that being against an unregulated "war on terror" is "pro-terrorist" is a blatant attack upon free speech. You are wrong to say that; it's unAmerican to believe it.
And, Tim, I've said it before and I'll say it again--I hope that whomever you meet at the border isn't so trigger-happy they shoot you just because you forgot your passport. Geez, man...geez.
Bo
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