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Post by Tim on Oct 8, 2006 22:59:10 GMT -5
Abe is a respectable man. He would do well to lead Japan. He is even trying to resolve differences between China and Japan. Maybe if China allows Japan to have a permanent seat in the UN, things would be different. You're kidding... Abe, respectable? He has not done anythign to the problem with Yasukuni Shrine. If he doesn't solve that problem, China and Korea will never get over their past with Japan. China will consider Japan as a permanent member of the UN... when they remove the war criminals out of Yasukuni Shrine (which will never happen).
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Post by skinz on Oct 9, 2006 15:13:49 GMT -5
Well, all this bickering between China, Japan, and South Koreans just gave North Korea a huge opening and dramatically changed the geopolitics in Northeast Asia.
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk everyone should be ashamed for doing nothing about the problem in North Korea.
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Post by JjJ on Oct 9, 2006 17:38:39 GMT -5
Well, all this bickering between China, Japan, and South Koreans just gave North Korea a huge opening and dramatically changed the geopolitics in Northeast Asia. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk everyone should be ashamed for doing nothing about the problem in North Korea. Correction. America should be ashamed for preoccupying itself with Iraq,instead of dealing with the real global threats.
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Post by Superiority on Oct 9, 2006 23:15:29 GMT -5
This is what happens when China is friendly with North Korea... it was a stupid decision. It doesn't matter though, China will get the nuke, and not Japan.
Abe can visit the shrine all he wants. It's part of our culture. And what's wrong with promoting nationalism? China and Korea does it, why can't Japan do it too? That's all Abe wants.
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Post by JjJ on Oct 10, 2006 18:55:59 GMT -5
This is what happens when China is friendly with North Korea... it was a stupid decision. It doesn't matter though, China will get the nuke, and not Japan. Abe can visit the shrine all he wants. It's part of our culture. And what's wrong with promoting nationalism? China and Korea does it, why can't Japan do it too? That's all Abe wants. China had nothing to do with suppling North Korea with nukes. China was only doing humanity aid for them. Mainly suppling them with food and fuel. It was a smart decision by china's part to provide help instead of Acusing North Korea and making them enemies. It was about making diplomatic relations. You can get things done faster by making friends instead of enemies. Relating to Abe, there is a difference between worshipping ancestors. As well as glorifying and worshipping war atrocities. Japan and Germany were Wartime aggressors. Now japan wants to become the same element as it was in ww2. Yes Abe can continue to visit the war shrine. But he should expect Korea and China to have permenent bad relations now and in the future with japan.
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Post by Tim on Oct 10, 2006 19:47:03 GMT -5
This is what happens when China is friendly with North Korea... it was a stupid decision. It doesn't matter though, China will get the nuke, and not Japan. Abe can visit the shrine all he wants. It's part of our culture. And what's wrong with promoting nationalism? China and Korea does it, why can't Japan do it too? That's all Abe wants. North Korea is the dispectable one here. China sended aid to North Korea, and what does Kim Jong Il do? He threatens to nuke China. It is hypocratical that you say that Abe can visit the shrine if he wants, and yet, a key part of Abe's lectures is that he wishes to promote better ties with China and Korea. How can relations between these countries possibly get better if Abe acted just like Koizumi?
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Post by JjJ on Oct 11, 2006 17:15:06 GMT -5
It is hypocritical that you say that Abe can visit the shrine if he wants, and yet, a key part of Abe's lectures is that he wishes to promote better ties with China and Korea. How can relations between these countries possibly get better if Abe acted just like Koizumi? But thats just it. Relations won't go anywhere with Korea/China vs Japan. Mainly because Abe has his head so far up his ass, That the lump in his throat,is his g#d damn nose. Also i think your right. Abe is tring to be Koizumi's protege
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Post by Tim on Oct 18, 2006 20:00:17 GMT -5
The Chinese soldiers shot some Tibetans down! This isn't going to look good for China. The Tibetan Independence supporters will now have a really good offense on Chinese nationalist... JjJ, you seem pretty smart in this area; what are your thoughts?
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Post by JjJ on Oct 19, 2006 18:01:56 GMT -5
thats not nearly as bad as what japan has done In 1592, Toyotomi Hideyoshi gave the order to invade Korea. His plan was to sweep through the peninsula and then conquer China. Hideyoshi's plans may have been accomplished if it weren't for the leadership of Admiral Yi of the Korean Navy. He alone was responsible for turning the tide of this important era of Asian history. www.jadedragon.com/archives/history/yisunshin.html------------------------------------------------------------------------- ww2 related stuff Malaya and Singapore were two important targets of the Japanese. 8 December 1941: Japanese forces landed on the east coast of South Thailand and North Malaya. 15-16 December 1941: The Japanese bombed Penang and killed many people. Many ships and boats in the harbour were seized by the Japanese. 8 Feb 1942: The Japanese started their attacks in Singapore after a week’s wait in Johor Bahru. They started firing with their artillery guns along the Strait of Johor. 9 Feb 1942: Large Japanese troops began to cross the Strait of Johor using motor-boats and rubber boats after midnight. They landed in the northwest coast of Singapore. The Japanese met fierce opposition upon landing but they managed to push back the defenders. library.thinkquest.org/12405/15.htmgerm experimentation at unit 731 vivisecting www.centurychina.com/wiihist/germwar/japsec.gif www.centurychina.com/wiihist/germwar/vivisect.gifinformation www.centurychina.com/wiihist/germwar/731rev.htmNanjing massacre and rape Japanese troops raped over 20,000 women, most of whom were murdered thereafter. In recognition of these horrifying acts, the massacre is also commonly referred to as 'the rape of Nanking www.bergen.org/AAST/Projects/ChinaHistory/rape.htmlphotos of massacres done by japanese troops LOOK HERE www.cnd.org/njmassacre/page1.htmlwww.cnd.org/njmassacre/page2.htmlwww.cnd.org/njmassacre/page3.htmlwww.cnd.org/njmassacre/page4.htmlwww.cnd.org/njmassacre/page5.htmlwww.cnd.org/njmassacre/page6.htmlmost recent act of aggression is in 2002. By James Conachy 9 January 2002 The Japanese Coast Guard’s sinking of an alleged North Korean spy ship last month has accelerated Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi administration’s push for an end to the postwar limitations on Japan’s use of military power. Though scarcely reported in the United States or Europe, the incident dominated the Japanese media. On December 22, Japan’s military launched a major operation to intercept an unidentified ship near the Amami-Oshima islands, which are in the East China Sea to the north of Okinawa, the location of one of the largest US military bases in the region. When first detected on December 18, the ship was within Japan’s 200 kilometre exclusive economic zone (EEZ)—an area of fishing and mineral rights. According to various media accounts, the ship was a 100-ton Chinese-type squid-fishing boat, but did not have fishing equipment. It was marked with Chinese characters, flying a Chinese-style flag and painted in Chinese fashion. Its design was unusual, in that its engine was located under the foredeck toward the front of the vessel. Normally, ships’ engines are toward the aft or rear of the ship. The Japanese media insinuated that the ship was built to carry special equipment on its aftdeck, such as small landing craft, and claimed the design was the hallmark of North Korean ships. After a protracted air and sea chase by at least 25 Coast Guard ships and 14 aircraft, during which the unidentified vessel was repeatedly shot at and set alight at one point, four Japanese patrol boats surrounded it in Chinese-claimed waters over 400 km from the Amami-Oshima islands. The Japanese government alleged that two-and-half hours later the crew of the vessel, in attempt to break out of the encirclement, fired automatic rifles and rocket launchers at its ships. On the grounds of “self-defence”, the Japanese patrol boats fired 20mm machine guns directly into the ship, which exploded and sank at 10.13 pm. No attempt was made to rescue the crew, believed to number 15, despite a group of them being seen alive in the water. The bodies of two Asian men wearing Korean-marked life-vests were recovered and autopsies confirmed that they had drowned. The sinking is the first time since World War II that any arm of the Japanese Self-Defence Force (SDF) has used deadly force and inflicted casualties. In the most high-profile previous military incident, in March 1999, the Coast Guard pursued and shot across the bows of two suspected North Korean spy ships in the Sea of Japan but did not pursue them out of Japanese waters. By its own admission, the Coast Guard has sent ships to investigate at least 20 other recent intrusions into Japan’s waters but has not fired upon them. This time, however, a decision was taken by the Koizumi administration to turn what could have been a routine operation into a military precedent.
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Post by Tim on Oct 19, 2006 20:06:00 GMT -5
I understand that Japan has committed many atrocities in the past, but I doubt Tibetan Independence people would care. We can't change the fact that we shot down innocent Tibetans.
I am curious though, why were the Tibetans going to Nepal without a passport? Wouldn't that make them illegal immigrants?
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Post by TheBo on Oct 20, 2006 10:13:48 GMT -5
Just an oar in here, but Tim, if I remember correctly, hasn't there always been free passage between Nepal and Tibet? Didn't the Dalai Lama flee there from the Chinese army (way back when)? Maybe (and again, I don't know this really) they were just going about doing what it normally done, and technically, it's illegal (according to China). And illegal immigrants really should not be shot summarily, anyway. But I think we all would agree on that last point.
Bo
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Post by JjJ on Oct 20, 2006 16:34:58 GMT -5
I understand that Japan has committed many atrocities in the past As recent as 2002 did you not see that? they shot a fishing vessel that they claimed was from North K. I have not seen or heard of Tibetans being shot. Therefore i do not believe such stories. Have you been reading into Falong gongs propaganda again?
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Post by Tim on Oct 20, 2006 19:14:15 GMT -5
Just an oar in here, but Tim, if I remember correctly, hasn't there always been free passage between Nepal and Tibet? Didn't the Dalai Lama flee there from the Chinese army (way back when)? Maybe (and again, I don't know this really) they were just going about doing what it normally done, and technically, it's illegal (according to China). And illegal immigrants really should not be shot summarily, anyway. But I think we all would agree on that last point. Bo Well, after getting more insight, it is still the best to take passports with you wherever you go. We have no proof that those Tibetans were innocent. They could have been smuggling drugs for all we know. This is what happens when you travel from country to country without a passport.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Oct 23, 2006 17:11:57 GMT -5
Is it possible for Tibetans to get passports? Or are they suspect for asking for them? I can imagine the Chinese bureaucrats denying them. Or maybe they'd be glad to give them out and remove more Tibetans from the country. (I'm kind of suspicious of China's activities in Tibet-what are their motives?, etc.)
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Post by JjJ on Oct 23, 2006 20:29:05 GMT -5
Is it possible for Tibetans to get passports? Or are they suspect for asking for them? I can imagine the Chinese bureaucrats denying them. Or maybe they'd be glad to give them out and remove more Tibetans from the country. (I'm kind of suspicious of China's activities in Tibet-what are their motives?, etc.) Yes it is possible to get passports. China has no motives. China is just being more diplomatic because they are more involved with the international community. Is a strong participant of the UN. I do not see the point of slandering china with no information available. We should not be so quick to condemn other countries governments. We must look at what our countries governments are doing. Like Sudan and darfur incident.. US knows what happen there but looks the other way.
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