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Post by ginnycat5 on Jul 17, 2005 15:46:32 GMT -5
This site shows changing territories/invasions/names of countries for years 0 to 1000CE. It takes almost 20 minutes to watch the original 3 groups grow, conquer, and be invaded-includes a large area of China, too. I hope they do the next 1000 years too. (if i write this in yellow, does that make it a link?)
ecai.org/Area/AreaTeamExamples/Korea/KoreaHistoryAnimation.html (it didn't write in yellow / sorry) btw, this site may have been mentioned here originally, don't remember where I got it.
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Post by Skinz UL on Jul 17, 2005 17:06:25 GMT -5
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Post by Skinz UL on Jul 17, 2005 17:18:42 GMT -5
Fantastic find Ginnycat. Wow, there is so much to learn. So was the war between Tang and Paekche justified? And I knew Koguryo had land but they had a lot, wonder why the founder of Koryo didn't press up to gain the lost lands?
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Post by chigirl68 on Jul 18, 2005 7:37:58 GMT -5
That is awsome! Thanks for this fantastic find!
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Post by anonimous Korean on Jul 19, 2005 2:34:00 GMT -5
Hi, guys! I happen to know this site from Korea. I am a Korean in Korea. I think that you all have already enough knlowledge about korean history. Thank you! ^^ You'll know that the name of Korea derives from Koguryo->Koryo. But, now China is trying to modify the history of Koguryo including Kochosun into their own because Chinese government insists that the territory of Koguryo belongs to China now. So, now we define 'history war' begins against China. You may know how Tibet has lost their territory to China. That's because Chinese had regarded it as their territory. Likely situation is going on between Korea and China. So, we koreans are very afraid and are feeling negative and negative upon China. Please support us, Korea. We are proud of our history, which never invaded other countries as well as never destroyed from others.
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Post by TheBo on Jul 19, 2005 14:56:54 GMT -5
Hello, anonymous Korean. We have had many conversations here about Korea's problems with China and Japan, both in history and in present times. Be assured we are supportive of Korea and her struggles, and only wish for the best. You should be proud.
Bo
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Post by wikipedia on Jul 19, 2005 15:29:47 GMT -5
"You'll know that the name of Korea derives from Koguryo->Koryo. But, now China is trying to modify the history of Koguryo including Kochosun into their own because Chinese government insists that the territory of Koguryo belongs to China now."
I believe you are confused. It is japan that Korea has a problem with,not really china. China and korea share a common pain as well as a common enemy.
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Post by TheBo on Jul 19, 2005 15:34:54 GMT -5
Actually, "wikipedia," I believe our guest is referring to the recent attempts by China to say that large areas of (North) Korea are actually Chinese lands. Also, I know you were not trying to sound impolite, but our Korean guest does say he is a Korean living in Korea, and maybe he knows better than we do who exactly Koreans "have a problem with."
Bo
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Post by TheBo on Jul 19, 2005 15:46:33 GMT -5
By the way, ginnycat and skinz, thanks for posting that link! It was fascinating, but I was so disappointed that it only went to 1000 CE--I hope they do the next part. Bo
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Post by wikipedia on Jul 19, 2005 16:09:44 GMT -5
Actually, "wikipedia," I believe our guest is referring to the recent attempts by China to say that large areas of (North) Korea are actually Chinese lands. Also, I know you were not trying to sound impolite, but our Korean guest does say he is a Korean living in Korea, and maybe he knows better than we do who exactly Koreans "have a problem with." Bo Yes i understand that. But there are many things that are left to question here. Japan is the one to mainly gloss over and down play the events of ww2 history. As well as Claim that korea belong to them originaly because supposedly the Koreans repatriated to japan. So to acuse only china of doing this is wrong judgment. We do not know what propaganda north korea is spreading to its people either. If china were that bad,why would it have a fasination with korean culture,thoughts of bilateral trades,food and korean programming? MO
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Post by donilpark on Jul 19, 2005 17:05:34 GMT -5
Oh, no, no, no. The archenemy of the Baedal people (Koreans) is the Hwangto people (Chinese). That's the enmity between Korea and China from the far antiquity. That with Japan doesn't even come close to that. Can't compare the enmity that's more than five millenia old to something that's just one thousand year old, at most. I mean, to use an analogy, Japan is to Korea as a child who is spoonfed when he was young, taught and cled by the mother but who turned against her when he thinks he has grown enough is to the parent. The child is proud, and forgets all the graces that his mother has betwoed on him, but he can never transcend his mother. Kind of a prodigal son. But China is like a student that turns against its master. It's a dragon that rebels and wages an unending war with a pheonix. In the long run, Japan is a petty problem to Korea. But China poses a real threat, one where it can completely obliterate Korea. Yeah, what with their 'Northeast Asian Project."(we already saw what happened to Tibet, who fell victim to China's "Northwest Asian Project") Already, Korea has lost much of this war, as you can see, although not completely.
If you just look at the superficial modern relationships, than yeah, maybe Japan is a common enemy to both Korea and China. But if you consider what's been passed down for ages, it's a different story. Really.
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Post by donilpark on Jul 19, 2005 17:27:51 GMT -5
By the way, ginnycat and skinz, thanks for posting that link! It was fascinating, but I was so disappointed that it only went to 1000 CE--I hope they do the next part. Bo Not much happens after the first millenium. Liao of the Quidan returns a part of ancient Koguryo territory back to Koryo, and then Chosun takes over. Chosun expands up a little, to Gando area, around where Yi Sunshin was defending up in North in his younger days, and then with Japanese annexation, loses that Southern Manchurian land to Qing due to the treaty made between Qing and Japan. (this was illegal, by the way, but China is refusing to return the land) And then Korea gets divided into two as you see today. But note that this is not the only theory there is. Baekje is thought to have had oversees territories in present-day Western China, Kyushu region of Japan and even in Southeast Asia. (22 'Damro's, damro being like a Baekje colony) Part of Shilla is also thought to have been in the continent, not just confined to the peninsula. Daemado (Tsushima) was also Korean territory in old days as well.
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Post by TheBo on Jul 20, 2005 13:11:47 GMT -5
Thanks, donilpark! I still wish they'd do the second millenium. Your list sounds pretty interesting to me, and much of the first millenium didn't move that fast, either.
Bo
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Post by wiki on Jul 21, 2005 0:09:11 GMT -5
Oh, no, no, no. The archenemy of the Baedal people (Koreans) is the Hwangto people (Chinese). That's the enmity between Korea and China from the far antiquity. That with Japan doesn't even come close to that. Can't compare the enmity that's more than five millenia old to something that's just one thousand year old, at most. I mean, to use an analogy, Japan is to Korea as a child who is spoonfed when he was young, taught and cled by the mother but who turned against her when he thinks he has grown enough is to the parent. The child is proud, and forgets all the graces that his mother has betwoed on him, but he can never transcend his mother. Kind of a prodigal son. But China is like a student that turns against its master. It's a dragon that rebels and wages an unending war with a pheonix. In the long run, Japan is a petty problem to Korea. But China poses a real threat, one where it can completely obliterate Korea. Yeah, what with their 'Northeast Asian Project."(we already saw what happened to Tibet, who fell victim to China's "Northwest Asian Project") Already, Korea has lost much of this war, as you can see, although not completely. If you just look at the superficial modern relationships, than yeah, maybe Japan is a common enemy to both Korea and China. But if you consider what's been passed down for ages, it's a different story. Really. Please do not spread such hateful propaganda that japan is currently doing. I do agree that Korea and China had a very long bad relationship during the ancient past. But these days are quite different between the two countries. Should not over look bilateral relations that are currently in progress. China is in no way a threat to korea....
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Post by donilpark on Jul 21, 2005 0:40:36 GMT -5
Maybe. But isn't that somewhat naive? There's really no friends here. Only pretending when times are good (or rather, when things are unfavourable for you, you lie low and play friends). Not to be cynical here, but it's not any different now. China is still trying to steal Korea's entire heritage, culture and orthodoxy by stealing Koguryo and even Ancient Chosun history with its Northeast Asian Project. Stealing others' history and heritage is something that China has been doing since the beginning and succeeded at large. Have you never wondered why Yuen is a 'Chinese dynasty' when it's clearly 'Mongol' empire (like, Ghenghis Khan, you know?) and Mongolia is a seperate people from the Chinese? I mean, why do you get to learn it in Chinese history class? It's so clear that it should be a part of Mongolian history. Enough said with Tibet. You can find numerous cases like these in the so-called 'Chinese' history. That's something real scary, you know? To have one's heritage taken away and become rootless people? If that's not a threat, than I don't know what else can be.
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