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Post by luvarchfiend on May 3, 2005 21:09:17 GMT -5
Sorry, I've been working on my palmball so I can get a shot in the Yankee rotation. generaldu, are you ready yet? i may not make it through another brown pitching fiasco. is there anybody out there who can pitch? anyone? anyone at all?
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Post by generaldu on May 4, 2005 8:28:30 GMT -5
generaldu, are you ready yet? i may not make it through another brown pitching fiasco. is there anybody out there who can pitch? anyone? anyone at all? To preserve your sanity, luvarchfiend, you should just adopt Joe Torre's "What me worry?" approach to Brown's starts. Torre contents himself that once Brown spots the opposing team a half dozen runs early-on he usually holds them down to a couple the rest of the way (which for Brown is until the 5th or 6th inning). It is very clear over the last couple of years that Torre has great trouble coming to grips with the issue of veteran players whose skills are in decline. With the Yankees current roster this might apply to half the team. While the Yankees still have a core group of players in their prime they certainly need fresh blood in a number of spots to improve their chances at getting another Championship while their current nucleus is in place.
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Post by Skinz Unlogged on May 4, 2005 11:20:07 GMT -5
is there anybody out there who can pitch? anyone? anyone at all? How about getting Tom Glavine? We all know that Glavine has been tearing it up lately,right? LOL!!
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Post by moreshige unlogged on May 4, 2005 14:07:15 GMT -5
How about getting Tom Glavine? We all know that Glavine has been tearing it up lately,right? LOL!! Yeah, please take him away from the Mets!
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Post by skinz on May 11, 2005 17:49:56 GMT -5
Tough loss today for the Mets but 18-17 isn't bad. They really need some pitching cause Zambrano and Glavine is just not doing it right now. So Chicago Cub fans, have they've been a twinkle on jumping on the other side of town. Chicago White Sox- 15 Wins 9 Losses Chicago Cubs 15 Wins 18 Losses Sorry but I had to do it after Derrek Lee won with a HR against the Mets.
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Post by MasterCrabby on May 14, 2005 8:04:58 GMT -5
I'll let it go, since Glavine and the Mets did such a fine job on the Cards last night. The Cubs won, too. Pedro today, Skinz! I'll be watching, and I'll help root for the Mets to beat the Cards. The White Sox are sure good, notably the pitching. We're working on the Cubs. They are getting valuable feedback from us fans, and they are starting to wake up.
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Post by chigirl68 on May 18, 2005 7:35:13 GMT -5
Ah baseball what a REALLY long season. The dreaded cross-town round 1 is this weekend. I can't bear to watch. I'll help root against the Cards with ya MC.
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Post by MasterCrabby on May 18, 2005 23:11:09 GMT -5
Chigirl, my wife and I will be in Chicago next week. Your e-mail didn't accept my message. Yes, the Sox vs. Cubs series seems mighty weird. I hope the Cubs do well, so I don't have to hear it. Still, I'm a glutton for punishment. It's more fun than a Florida mosquito bite.
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Post by seven stars on May 20, 2005 11:30:53 GMT -5
Could be a tough one for you Cubbies fans.
I thought pitching was supposed to be the Cubs strength, not the Sox'.
Anyway, if your circle changeup is the only pitch that you need work on GeneralDu, I would advise that you set up a tryout, because up until last week it didn't appear that any of the Yankee's pitchers could even thow a fastball (without hurting themselves that is).
Here come the Yank's again.
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Post by seven stars on May 25, 2005 13:35:33 GMT -5
I'll be at the Yankee game tomorrow. It's my first time to Yankee stadium.
I'll be wearing my Tigers hat if you catch my meaning.
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Post by generaldu on May 25, 2005 17:04:38 GMT -5
Could be a tough one for you Cubbies fans. I thought pitching was supposed to be the Cubs strength, not the Sox'. Anyway, if your circle changeup is the only pitch that you need work on GeneralDu, I would advise that you set up a tryout, because up until last week it didn't appear that any of the Yankee's pitchers could even thow a fastball (without hurting themselves that is). Here come the Yank's again. I'm too old school for circle change, split-finger and such; with me it's palmball, forkball, let-up, fadeaway, blooper pitch, hesitation pitch, spit ball, emery ball, etc. Enjoy your first stay at the House That Ruth Built (and Lindsay Renovated). I have been there many times before and after and look forward to doing so again if I can arrange financing. It is a great place. Upon first hearing the spectral voice of legendary P.A. announcer Bob Shepard wafting around the stadium, you might imagine the ghost of say, Monte Pearson gliding into the seat next to you but more likely you'll be surrounded by suburban family groups, tres trendy mais inebriated yuppies and some refreshingly sober foreign tourists.
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Post by seven stars on May 26, 2005 7:07:19 GMT -5
I'm too old school for circle change, split-finger and such; with me it's palmball, forkball, let-up, fadeaway, blooper pitch, hesitation pitch, spit ball, emery ball, etc. Enjoy your first stay at the House That Ruth Built (and Lindsay Renovated). I have been there many times before and after and look forward to doing so again if I can arrange financing. It is a great place. Upon first hearing the spectral voice of legendary P.A. announcer Bob Shepard wafting around the stadium, you might imagine the ghost of say, Monte Pearson gliding into the seat next to you but more likely you'll be surrounded by suburban family groups, tres trendy mais inebriated yuppies and some refreshingly sober foreign tourists. You are truly a funny man General! I must admit that I am excited to watch baseball in such a historical building. Although I'm not sure I buy into all of the ethereal mystique jive. I suppose I'll be in a better position to comment on that tomorrow. If you can afford to give some advance notice, perhaps I could meet you for a Yankee game sometime, along with any other baseball fans in the Tri-State/Northeast, on this thread. If it's a bad game, we could talk world politics as it pertains to the far east . I must admit that there is a disconnect between the generations on those pitch names. I don't even know what a couple of those pitches are. "Fadeaway and Blooper Pitch?" In truth, the disparity probably has more to do with my lack of baseball knowledge than anything else .
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Post by generaldu on May 26, 2005 8:44:11 GMT -5
[/quote] You are truly a funny man General! I must admit that I am excited to watch baseball in such a historical building. Although I'm not sure I buy into all of the ethereal mystique jive. I suppose I'll be in a better position to comment on that tomorrow. If you can afford to give some advance notice, perhaps I could meet you for a Yankee game sometime, along with any other baseball fans in the Tri-State/Northeast, on this thread. If it's a bad game, we could talk world politics as it pertains to the far east . I must admit that there is a disconnect between the generations on those pitch names. I don't even know what a couple of those pitches are. "Fadeaway and Blooper Pitch?" In truth, the disparity probably has more to do with my lack of baseball knowledge than anything else .[/quote] In this case I was being deliberately archaic and obscure rather than inherently so as is more often the case. "Fadeaway" is one of the obsolete terms for screwball, which is, itself, a very rarely thrown pitch in any era of baseball so it doesn't come up in conversation often. When a true screwball is thrown properly it resembles a reverse action curveball and requires a very stressful reverse (from the normal curveball snap) hand and wrist action on the part of the pitcher. Oddly the screwball is almost exclusively found in the repertoire of lefthanders, Carl Hubbell of the old NY Giants and Fernando Valenzuela of the LA Dodgers being famous practitioners as was the great reliever Tug McGraw of the Mets and Phillies. Many lefties feature some kind of mild screwball, e. g., the circle change mimics the action to some degree. From the right side, the old NY Giants Christy Mathewson threw a fadeaway and in today's game, journeyman reliever Jim Mecir of the LA Dodgers can snap off a good scroogie in his mix of stuff. Rarer still, the "blooper pitch" is a very slow pitch thrown overhand with a very exaggerated lob (much more so than in slow pitch softball) so that it plunges near vertically through the strike zone. Its success depends on the element of surprise and the fact that a hitter is geared for much faster stuff. When taken as a strike it is very embarrassing but when swung at the results can be quite comical, as hitters often whiff and then "corkscrew" violently after releasing their pent up energy at such a ridiculously slow pitch. Rip Sewell, a righthanded starter with the Pittsburgh Pirates in the 40's, is traditionally credited with the innovation here, which was called his "eephus pitch". Ted Williams "solved it" for a home run in a famous All-Star Game at-bat. In somewhat more recent decades the blooper pitch had been occasionally featured by NY Yankee lefty relievers Steve Hamilton and Dave Laroche ("la lob") and the colorful Boston Red Sox lefty starter Bill "Spaceman" Lee.
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Post by seven stars on May 26, 2005 11:09:28 GMT -5
Wow. Well I know what a Screwball is, but I thought it was reserved for myth and movies more than actual games. I was aware of the fact that the screwball was part of Valenzuela's repertiore, however.
Never heard of the Blooper Pitch until now. It sounds rather silly. I would like to see it sometime.
By the way, isn't Jim Mecir with the Giants now? Forgive me if I'm wrong (or if I'm right).
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Post by generaldu on May 26, 2005 12:58:32 GMT -5
Wow. Well I know what a Screwball is, but I thought it was reserved for myth and movies more than actual games. I was aware of the fact that the screwball was part of Valenzuela's repertiore, however. Never heard of the Blooper Pitch until now. It sounds rather silly. I would like to see it sometime. By the way, isn't Jim Mecir with the Giants now? Forgive me if I'm wrong (or if I'm right). I had just quick checked on one of those online stat sites and Mecir came up as a current Dodger although I don't know if the Giants have picked him up since. When he was working out of the Yankee pen some years ago and I saw him throw some interesting scroogies although, overall, he wasn't that consistent. I would think that blooper pitch highlights have to be included in some humorous baseball video compilations. I remember vividly Yankee Steve Hamilton striking out a batter (it might have been Duke Sims of the Indians) who then crawled back to the dugout in mock embarrassment. The Yanks were often a doormat team in those years (as would have been their opponent in this case) which would account for the playful treatment of this event. In a big game situation back then players would have taken serious offense for being shown up with a trick pitch.
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