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Post by generaldu on Apr 8, 2005 17:55:55 GMT -5
Florel, the latter point that you make explains why mass military rape (as recently seen in the Balkans and Rwanda) remains such a common, albeit despicable, practice.
Women in these cases are ultimately victimized by both sides and doubly so by their "own", first in not being adequately protected from the enemy's violence and secondly in not being properly treated and accepted as the war casualties that they are.
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Post by florel on Apr 10, 2005 12:24:17 GMT -5
Florel, the latter point that you make explains why mass military rape (as recently seen in the Balkans and Rwanda) remains such a common, albeit despicable, practice. Women in these cases are ultimately victimized by both sides and doubly so by their "own", first in not being adequately protected from the enemy's violence and secondly in not being properly treated and accepted as the war casualties that they are. It's one of deep-rooted and durable barbaries that make me skeptical of "evolution" of humankind.
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Post by florel on Apr 10, 2005 12:31:54 GMT -5
After this I'm gonna look for some info on Korean conservative outlook and ideology. Any recommendations? Korean conservatives are related with military dictators' regime in 60's-80's, notably that of General Park Chung-Hee (also spelled as Park Jung-Hee) and of General Chun Du-Whan (or Jeon Du-Whan). I don't know which one is a good introductory english book about them. By the way, I found a Korean history bibliography on web. I wish there would be something interesting. www.hawaii.edu/korea/bibliography/bibliotable.htm
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Post by florel on Apr 10, 2005 12:43:51 GMT -5
President Park Chung-Hee is very controversial figure among Koreans. Some consider him as the national hero who contributed to the economical development of Korea, others as the corrupted dictator who infringed upon human rights. The judgement toward him separates Korean conservatives from reformers. His daughter Ms. Park Geun-Hye is the actual chief of No.1 opposition party. The actual president Roh Mu-Hyun is supported by reformers and by young generation. President Chun Du-Whan is hated by almost of Koreans except his supporters. From the end of April, MBC will start a new drama about his regime, "The Fifth Republic". Archfiend will play his role. This was already mentioned on AOW board. deiner.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=warriors&action=display&thread=1105090165President Chun Du-Whan Yi Duk-Wha (Archfiend) as General Chun Du-Whan
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Post by skinz on Apr 11, 2005 14:09:30 GMT -5
Great stuff. I did just a quick reading and found out some info on General Park Chung-Hee. The guy sure love the Japanese.
While we're at it, anymore conservative info on more countries? Surely we can't limit ourselves to only Korea and Japan.
Something else I notice is that the 30s is probably THE worst period in history. So much Nationalism, ideology,and territorial greed all rose up altogether. Plus the depression, diseases, and another world war building up.
Praises to all the senior citizens that lived through that era.
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Post by MasterCrabby on Apr 11, 2005 22:54:20 GMT -5
One of the conclusions we must see is that violence is not a solution to our problems on any level. If we are to have a future that we truly want, we shouldn't be embarrased to look for other solutions to our problems. The Great War, WWI, the war to end all wars. I never mentioned it, but a WWI memorial in Middletown, NY recognizes the soldiers sacrifice to "The Great Cause".
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generaldu
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Post by generaldu on Apr 12, 2005 8:07:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately, you can't rule out violence because others might initiate it.
The unprecented casualties and unmitigated horrors of WW I led to a very real international antiwar movement at the highest levels of government.
The first multinational arms control agreements were signed, military spending was curtailed and weapons development slowed down.
Toward the end of the 18 or so years that this philosophy prevailed; expansionist, warlike regimes in Italy, Germany and Japan had militarized and they began to rattle their sabers.
Rather than nip these aggressors in the bud the initial international reaction was appeasement, allowing each to move unilaterally in pursuit of their expansionist policies.
Their landlust was, unfortunately, unappeasable and WW II would officially "begin" as Germany, Italy and Japan finally directed their aggression directly at the appeasing nations themselves.
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Post by MasterCrabby on Apr 12, 2005 9:41:30 GMT -5
GeneralDu, while I recognize the wisdom in deterring aggression, the focus should be more on constructive interaction. The punitive mentality which shaped the Versailles Treaty, combined with the widespread debt resulting from WWI made Hitler's rise possible. In contrast, the Marshall plan has had benefits in cooperation still being in evidence today.
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Post by Choko on Apr 12, 2005 10:03:48 GMT -5
There is an interesting news article today about the official meeting of the problematic Japanese history textbook supporters. It was April 10th, 2005. I translated some parts of the article. Enjoy what the great Japanese patriots said at the meeting. The original article is in Korean language. Izawa Motohiko(author) said "The 1905 Japan-Russia war is the world's first victory of the non-white race against the white race." Koumori Yoshihisa (newsman) said "The Massacre of Nanjing did not exist at all. It is Chinese textbooks that are telling a lie by dubious photos. During WW2, many Asian people welcomed Japanese troops. Taiwan loved being under Japanese rules." Fujioka Nobukatsu (the vice chairman of the textbook group) said "The so-called "comfort women" (sex slaves for Japanese soldiers during WWII) who protest in front of Japanese embassy every Tuesday in Seoul, are North Korean spies. No comfort women existed at that time. " There are more interesting racist comments but I do not translate because my English skill is not enough to express the nuiance. Anyway, that's why Koreans and Chinese people get angry about Japan's extreme right. It is very interesting the U.S. media like CNN do not talk about Japanese hypocrisy while referring to Chinese violent protests. Umm.... so biased.
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Post by MasterCrabby on Apr 12, 2005 11:52:14 GMT -5
Those comments are very depressing. Some people allow their gravy train to come before common sense. These guys must have a following of weak-minded neurotics. I can't imagine they believe those concepts. Incidentally, the Japanese beat the Russians in large part because of loans from Western banks. The Russians were not supported, generally, by other Europeans and Americans.
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Post by generaldu on Apr 12, 2005 12:08:50 GMT -5
GeneralDu, while I recognize the wisdom in deterring aggression, the focus should be more on constructive interaction. The punitive mentality which shaped the Versailles Treaty, combined with the widespread debt resulting from WWI made Hitler's rise possible. In contrast, the Marshall plan has had benefits in cooperation still being in evidence today. Unfortunately, the Solomonic wisdom of the Marshall Plan was implementable largely because of the "Carthaginian" nature of the the Allied victory in WW II. The defeated parties were utterly devastated, leaving the USA and USSR astride the world as dual, offsetting colossi. The US post war (cold war) policy was much less benificent when it came to the Third World, however.
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Post by florel on Apr 12, 2005 17:06:32 GMT -5
Germany manifests a critical attitude toward Japan's distortion of history which sowed discord among Asian neighbors. In fact, Germany is afraid if it would also frustrate her own bid for UN council seat. German Press Pitches into Japan War Crimes Debate
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Post by florel on Apr 12, 2005 17:11:26 GMT -5
While we're at it, anymore conservative info on more countries? Surely we can't limit ourselves to only Korea and Japan. About French fascism, it is recommendable to read an important book of the famous historian Z. Sternhell. Zeev Sternhell, Neither Right nor Left : Fascist Ideology in France, Princeton University Press, 1996 (translated from French, Ni droite ni gauche : L'ideologie fasciste en France, Le Seuil, Paris, 1983). Sternhell's work was shocking because he destroyed the dichotomy between Left and Right.
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Post by generaldu on Apr 13, 2005 8:56:41 GMT -5
In America, Japan's atrocities have been tacitly downplayed by revisionist historians who are more interested in questioning America's controversial decision to introduce nuclear weapons at the end of the Pacific war.
The horrific events at Hiroshima and Nagasaki have led some to see the war through an apologetic, retroactive filter.
For example, some young people have told me that they are taught these days that the Pearl Harbor attack was Japan's response to America's oil embargo, as if "we" got what we asked for (politely overlooking Japan's 1937 invasion of China).
A balanced version of history needs to go beyond simplistic good guy/bad guy propaganda and should attempt to reveal an unvarnished truth.
The rightful consideration of the propriety of America's wartime actions should not distract us or cloud our judgement as to those undeniable atrocities committed by our enemies (or allies) during the war.
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Post by skinz on Apr 13, 2005 9:19:24 GMT -5
In America, Japan's atrocities have been tacitly downplayed by revisionist historians who are more interested in questioning America's controversial decision to introduce nuclear weapons at the end of the Pacific war. For example, some young people have told me that they are taught these days that the Pearl Harbor attack was Japan's response to America's oil embargo, as if "we" got what we asked for (politely overlooking Japan's 1937 invasion of China). . Well, when I was in school they never told me that but my teachers always said that we were in a rush to drop the bomb because Hirohito was gonna surrender anyway without the use of it. So it was Americans greed that ended the war. However, I wasn't the type to only study one point view of historical accounts.
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