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Post by florel on Feb 9, 2005 18:44:13 GMT -5
This thread is attributed to the discussion of EVERY historical military leaders.
For example,
- Your most favorite or detested military leaders
- Historical military leaders comparable with Admiral YSS
- The most terrible military leaders in history
- Background stories about famous military leaders
etc.
Go on !
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Post by ID on Feb 9, 2005 18:51:13 GMT -5
terrible leaders, huh? How about Valeriano Weyler {1838-1930, he didn't deserve such a long life} He is responsible of the death of some 200,000 Cubans who were put in his "reconcentration camps". Thankfully, we defeated Spain. But Cuba still wasn't free. Our bastard leaders decided to take away the freedoms of the Cubans, and the Phillipinos, and made them nothing more than colonies.
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Post by florel on Feb 9, 2005 19:06:13 GMT -5
terrible leaders, huh? How about Valeriano Weyler {1838-1930, he didn't deserve such a long life} He is responsible of the death of some 200,000 Cubans who were put in his "reconcentration camps". Thankfully, we defeated Spain. But Cuba still wasn't free. Our bastard leaders decided to take away the freedoms of the Cubans, and the Phillipinos, and made them nothing more than colonies. The death of some 200,000 men? He is really terrible. I didn't know Valeriano Weyler. American and Japanese histories are my weak points. I learn many things in this magnificent forum.
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Post by ID on Feb 9, 2005 19:28:57 GMT -5
The death of some 200,000 men? He is really terrible. I didn't know Valeriano Weyler. American and Japanese histories are my weak points. I learn many things in this magnificent forum. The deaths took place in the mid to late 19th Century, when Cuba was still under Spain's control. Up untill that point, CUba was the only colony that didn't attempt to revolt against Spain. And when the first pro-independence revolt took palce, Weyler was sent to put it down. So, he put about 500,000 Cubans into "reconcentration camps", and out of them, around 200,000 died. Though American newspapers {namely Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William Hearst's New York Journal}exagerrated the stories greatly, in a race for sales, it was still really bad. And in 1898, President William Mckinley, declared war on Spain. Commodore George Dewey led a naval strike on Spain's Pacific Fleet in the Phillipines. They lost 381 men, we lost none. In Cuba, Theodore Roosevelt and the Rough Riders, aided by Cuban rebels, defeated Spanish troops, in an almost one-sided victory. But, after the Cubans and Filipinos gained independence, we decided to keep the land. It lead to guerrilla wars in Phillipines, but we controled it untill 1946. To this day, we still own Puerto Rico and Guam. As you can see, the Spanish-American war is my area of expertise. But don't think too much of me, I know very little else.
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Post by florel on Feb 9, 2005 19:44:04 GMT -5
Thank you, ID, for your detailed supplementary explication. Everyone have their own speciality.
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Post by florel on Feb 9, 2005 19:47:45 GMT -5
Seven Stars, how about transferring your contribution on your favorite military leaders into this board ?
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Post by generaldu on Feb 10, 2005 9:31:41 GMT -5
Just a follow-up to ID's contribution.
The Geneva Conventions, which have (had? re: U.S. operations; Iraq, Gitmo) been at least partly successful in governing the wartime behavior of signatory nations since their intitial form in 1864, did not cover "civil wars" until 1949.
As a consequence the most heinous of war crimes were permissable even by signatory parties as long as the events involved civil disorders and/or insurrections occurring within their own territorial borders including, of course, those of their colonies.
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Post by seven stars on Feb 10, 2005 10:50:44 GMT -5
Good idea Florel. Sorry, I didn't know how else to do this... Some of my all time favorite military leaders are (in no particular order): - Saladin- the great hero of Islam who is regarded both retrospectively and during his own time as the "marvel of his age". - Richard 1 (the Lionheart) - He was Saladin's rival during the Third Crusade. In fact, to raise funds for that campaign, King Richard instituted what was called "the Saladin tithe". - Shaka Zulu - the warrior-leader of the Zulu tribe. - Hannibal of Carthage - Gengis Khan and his grandson Kublai Khan - they established Mongolian rule in China. - Recently I've begun to learn more about the Warring States period in Chinese history, which highlights Liu Bang (the founder of the Han Dynasty) and his rival Xiang Yu a warrior who is said to have no equal. - Alexander the Great - A Greek who was crowned Pharaoh (God-man) in Egypt for crying out loud. - David, the son of Jesse, King of ancient Israel - Perhaps the most praise worthy military leader on my list. If you're not sure about this one, just read the Samuel and Chronicles books in the Bible (Old Testament). You'll ;)see the light . While you're at it, check out the book of John in the New Testament. Changed my life. I must admit to being a sucker for a good story, and that has as much to do with my fondness for any of these leaders as does their apparent mastery of warfare.
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Post by florel on Feb 10, 2005 11:19:24 GMT -5
-Richard 1 (the Lionheart) - He was Saladin's rival during the Third Crusade. In fact, to raise funds for that campaign, King Richard instituted what was called "the Saladin tithe". So Richard the Lionheart successfully extracted money from England while he could'nt pick up her language.
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Post by florel on Feb 10, 2005 11:52:47 GMT -5
Philip Augustus also established "the Saladin tithe (dime saladine)" in 1188. This tax was very unpopular especially among the poor.
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Post by generaldu on Feb 10, 2005 11:55:55 GMT -5
So Richard the Lionheart successfully extracted money from England while he could'nt pick up her language. Yet another parallel with contemporary America. We currently have a leader who bleeds the country (literally and figuratively) with war expenses and barely speaks English.
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Post by florel on Feb 10, 2005 12:00:58 GMT -5
Yet another parallel with contemporary America. We currently have a leader who bleeds the country (literally and figuratively) with war expenses and barely speaks English. Hmmm... This comparison could be an insult to Richard I who was a flower of chivalry. Just a joke. ;D
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Post by seven stars on Feb 10, 2005 12:05:36 GMT -5
Yeah, how do you like that.
The fact that it was the third crusade, and that this contribution was officially called a "tithe" indicates the heavy involvement of the church in this fundraising effort. Richard may have had little to do with the actual application of the "Saladin tithe" to the British public. (As we know, he was hardly there). Nevertheless, he certainly authorized it.
The fact that this tithe had Saladin's name attached to it, speaks volumes regarding his notoriety at that time. The fact that a Tikritian muslim with Kurdish roots could have become so famed and feared in the west is a testament to how remarkable his accomplishments were.
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Post by skinz on Feb 10, 2005 12:29:16 GMT -5
Bad Leadership:
Francois Duvalier- The Haitian leader who obtained power in the 1960s and turned the country upside down. He created a secret army to dispose any threat to his power. Killed his own people for absolute control. Passed his authority down to his son, Jean Claude, who continued his father brutal dictatorship. (Similar to Choi Choong Hon rule but worst.)
General T'ang - After being told to protect the city of Nanking, T'ang decided to leave his troops and leave the city undefended for the invading Japanese forces.
General Henri Navarre- The battle at Dien Bien Phu.
Good leaders
Peter the Great: Transformed Russia into a superpower in the eighteen century
Miyamoto musashi- Great Strategist in combat
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Post by seven stars on Feb 10, 2005 12:49:54 GMT -5
Great call Skinz! Duvalier is among the most despicable military rulers of modern time. Any of you New Yorkers who appreciate all of your Haitian neighbors should ask them, or their parents about this tyrant. What a mess .
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