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Post by TheBo on Feb 2, 2005 11:28:07 GMT -5
(With apologies to E.D. and all poets, living or deceased) Apology accepted. I'm not quite deceased. Bo ;D
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Post by Hachiman Taro on Feb 2, 2005 13:24:02 GMT -5
I wonder if YSS fans might benefit from a "tangents" board as was done for AOW, or better yet, renaming the AOW tangents board an AOW/YSS tangents board since the traffic on the AOW tangents board has tailed way off (since that show has ended in all areas except Philly). Of course having a tangents board doesn't get us around any potential problems with acrimony, but it does give a place for tangential subjects. Just an idea.--HT/M
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Post by TheBo on Feb 2, 2005 13:59:36 GMT -5
Hachiman, that's an excellent idea. I'll bring it up to Soju (who's the only one who can establish new forums--forii--er...)
Bo
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Post by Soju on Feb 2, 2005 15:00:50 GMT -5
I'm not actually the only one who can do that. Micheal can, and so can Yobo. I just checked his profile, though, and it seems Yobo moved from Crystal Lake to South Florida. It's probably even harder to get WOCH in Fla than in Crystal Lake. ;D
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Post by TheBo on Feb 2, 2005 16:13:33 GMT -5
I'm not actually the only one who can do that. Micheal can, and so can Yobo. I just checked his profile, though, and it seems Yobo moved from Crystal Lake to South Florida. It's probably even harder to get WOCH in Fla than in Crystal Lake. ;D Well, yeah, but you're the only one who's HERE. Anyway, can you do that? For the nonce, I can moderate. Bo
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Post by seven stars on Feb 8, 2005 12:03:31 GMT -5
I'm not a student of the poetic verse but this conversation has produced some hilarious stuff people. You are all extremely well spoken individuals, especially in light of the fact that many of those replies were posted with considerable emotion. You have my gratitude!
I agree that the immersion we experience in western history as american students is a contributing factor to my now thriving obsession with eastern culture and history. It is an entirely new world of customs, characters and stories to learn about.
Perhaps this is not entirely pertinent, but I'll share it anyway...
Some of my all time favorite military leaders are (in no particular order):
- Richard II of England.
- His opponent Saladin- the great hero of Islam who is regarded both retrospectively and during his own time as the "marvel of his age".
- Shaka Zulu - the warrior-leader of the Zulu tribe.
- Hannibal of Carthage
- Gengis Khan and his grandson Kublai Khan - they established Mongolian rule in China.
- Recently I've begun to learn more about the Warring States period in Chinese history, which highlights Liu Bang (the founder of the Han Dynasty) and his rival Xiang Yu a warrior who is said to have no equal.
- Alexander the Great - A Greek who was crowned Pharaoh (God-man) in Egypt for crying out loud.
- King David of Israel - Perhaps the most praise worthy military leader on my list.
I must admit to being a sucker for a good story, and that has as much to do with my fondness for any of these leaders as does their apparent mastery of warfare.
As far as Schwartzkopf goes, I view him as a great patriot of our time, though perhaps not to be revered amongst legendary military leaders of old. I feel that the same criticism presented with regard to Israeli conflict with the Arab nations is applicable to all recent US offensives in that region. Those nations are thoroughly overmatched from a technological standpoint when compared with the Israel/US military entity in the middle east.
Using boxing as an analogy, you would not be quick to place the heavyweight champion of the world in the Hall of Fame because of his defeat of a highly ranked contender from a significantly lighter weight class. In fact, you would applaud the performance with no amount of suprise or relief whatsoever despite the fact that this heavyweight champ would have registered the victory in decisive and stylish fashion. A heavyweight is always a big favorite over a middleweight. For now, the US is the biggest heavyweight on the scene, and Israel has more junk in it's trunk than most.
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Post by florel on Feb 9, 2005 12:25:26 GMT -5
Richard II of England ? I'm sure, seven stars, it's just a spelling mistake of Richard I the Lionheart.
I like Philippe Auguste and Bertrand du Guesclin. Sorry for Anglo-Saxons. I'm francophone and (evidently) francophile. ;D
Among historical military leaders, Yue Fei (1103-1142) of Southern Song dynasty is comparable with Admiral YSS. Their lives have lots of similar points. Especially, they protected their countries against outnumbered invaders (the Jurchen and the Japanese respectively) and suffered from court conspiracy. Both of them are national heroes in their own country, China and Korea.
Perhaps, we would be able to open a new thread about military leaders comparable with YSS. What do you think ?
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Post by skinz on Feb 9, 2005 13:31:03 GMT -5
Why don't you start it Florel?
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Post by seven stars on Feb 9, 2005 13:43:48 GMT -5
Thanks Florel! ;D
Yes, Richard 1 (the Lionheart), is the English king whom I had intended for that list.
He was Saladin's rival during the Third Crusade. In fact, to raise funds for that campaign, King Richard instituted what was called "the Saladin tithe".
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Post by generaldu on Feb 9, 2005 13:57:40 GMT -5
There'll be nary a vote For England's Edward, Two Who emptied the coffers And slept with you know who.
From an island filled with lions It was his sad fate To be somewhat softer And be shown the gate.
So "... talk of Alexander..." Then let the bells ring And politely overlook This bad, murdered king.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 9, 2005 14:53:01 GMT -5
And where's that haiku thread?
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Post by florel unlogged on Feb 9, 2005 16:17:03 GMT -5
Are you a poet, generaldu ? I'll open a new thread two or three hours later.
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Post by generaldu on Feb 9, 2005 16:31:34 GMT -5
With bad verse or prose Would this humble joe propose A view, not Thebo's?
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Post by generaldu on Feb 9, 2005 16:43:30 GMT -5
Are you a poet, generaldu ? I'll open a new thread two or three hours later. Not in a clinical sense. I just got a little mirthful over the inevitable confusion concerning European monarchs and their ordinal numbers. One number "off" can make a big difference. We in America must now deal with this confusion over our own George(s) Bush I & II.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 9, 2005 17:09:59 GMT -5
We in America must now deal with this confusion over our own George(s) Bush I & II. tres amuse. Bo
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