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Post by galacticchick on Feb 1, 2005 10:36:21 GMT -5
Episode 17 made me so sad for poor, poor MH. I especially felt bad for him when he was crying as he listened to his tape that he had recorded for Yujin. That was so cute, the many attempts it took him before he finally got it right.
He also looked so handsome in his suit. What do you all think about Yujin’s wedding dress? I didn’t really like it, I think it’s too flashy for her (seems Cherin didn't even consult with her, only showed her the finished product). I think she would have looked better in something simpler. Or maybe it’s just that horrible haircut. You think she could at least give it a funky look by feathering it out.
Still haven’t caught episode 18, but judging by the previous at the end of ep. 17, good news is a comin’.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 1, 2005 10:58:44 GMT -5
Gag. I still can't get over the fact that Yu-jin is even considering marrying that stalker, and this is the second time I've watched this thing. It seems like they don't have a concept for this weirdness over there. Here's the lesson: If he keeps on pursuing you when you've repeatedly said no, he's NUTS and DANGEROUS, not romantic.
Bo
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Post by galacticchick on Feb 1, 2005 11:01:12 GMT -5
I can see where she would think that she pretty much "has" to marry him. What I simply cannot comprehend is that everyone around her, her family, her friends, think that she's this evil person if she doesn't go through with it.
I wish she would tell Junga what's really going inside her head/heart, she seems like the ideal person to slap some sense into her.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 1, 2005 12:47:00 GMT -5
Well, has she told anyone that he tried to rape her? I think not. Would her mother and/or friends want her to marry such a man? I think not. The problem with Yujin, as has been stated by many people on this forum, is that she never lets anyone know what's really going on with her. People ask her direct questions, for pity's sake, and she just keeps staring at the floor, tears welling. How's anyone supposed to know how to react to that? They do know. They react like she's a child who needs guidance. The one time she actually spoke her mind (to Sang-hyuk's mom's question of whether she loved someone instead of SH), saying, "I can't marry him!" I just about fell off my chair.
And the problem with SH is, he's not a nice guy and he never was. He is only good and sweet when everything--and I mean everything--is going to go his way. He acted the same mean, psychotic way when Joon-sang showed up in the first place. He was even jealous of him going to his father for tutoring. And he can't ever accept that something might be HIS fault. It's always, I'll never speak to you again, Mother, or I'll kill you, Director Lee you *&%(#j!
Ick. Ick. Ick.
Sorry. Over it now.
Bo
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Post by hachiue on Feb 1, 2005 13:13:24 GMT -5
Didn't *he* tell everyone that he actually did rape her? I mean, I guess he thought it would make them be even more on the side of the two of them marrying, but WHY? They should want to kick his butt and send him to jail.
It's funny how her friends seem to be somewhat on her side now that they know that he's Joonsang. What difference does it make whether he's a long lost love or one that she met within the past year?
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Post by galacticchick on Feb 1, 2005 13:25:24 GMT -5
Didn't *he* tell everyone that he actually did rape her? I mean, I guess he thought it would make them be even more on the side of the two of them marrying, but WHY? They should want to kick his butt and send him to jail. Right, I don't know what else they could have interpreted as by "I did a shameful thing to her." And then the mother leaves because "She can't even meet eyes with him." At first I thought because of the despicable thing he did to her, but then I realized it was because she was so ashamed that Yujin had left to Seoul.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 1, 2005 14:02:59 GMT -5
Right, I don't know what else they could have interpreted as by "I did a shameful thing to her.".... But that doesn't really mean anything. He didn't admit anything specific. I just don't think Yujin's mother is such a monster that she would accept him forcing himself on her daughter. On the other hand, everyone on this drama is a little strange. Admittedly, I'm only up to the episode where he does that loony stunt of announcing their engagement at the concert (which, by the way, is where I started viewing last time around--it makes so much more sense now), so you guys can hoot me down, I guess. Bo
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Post by hachiue on Feb 1, 2005 16:13:02 GMT -5
I think that it was interpreted as he raped her, especially since Jin-sook asked everyone in the car if they'd really "done it" and Cherin admonished her by saying that they were adults and it's the 20th century, yadda yadda. I mean, if Jin-sook got it (she seems really sheltered and naive to me), then I'm sure that everyone else there got it.
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Post by galacticchick on Feb 1, 2005 17:00:56 GMT -5
But that doesn't really mean anything. He didn't admit anything specific. I just don't think Yujin's mother is such a monster that she would accept him forcing himself on her daughter. Bo Oh but it does mean something. Sanghyuk's dad tells him "I'm really disappointed in you." Jinsook, like hachiue already mentioned, says "Did you really do it to her." and I believe it was actually the male friend that said to SH, that who cares because they were already engaged and they've known each other for so long. So he did admit to something, even if it wasn't rape. And the mom might be from the generation where they think that if they are married, it can't be rape, it's just her "wifely duty". Forcing her daughter to marry someone she doesn't love seems pretty monstrous to me, not as depraved as marrying someone who's forced himself on her daughter, granted, but horrible nonetheless.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 1, 2005 17:20:37 GMT -5
I suppose if they looked at it as "forcing" rather than "raping" they might see it that way. But that's just it. There seems to be a missing tone here--nobody seems concerned that he's stalking the girl or seems to think she should be protected from him, except for Joon-sang.
I felt the same way on Phoenix, when Mi-ran was stalking our boy. Nobody said, "Call the police." Maybe people don't, there. It's just extremely frustrating to watch.
Bo
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Post by Lucy on Feb 1, 2005 17:54:57 GMT -5
For the record, it seemed clear to me from their reactions that everyone knew just what Sanghyuk meant. And, just in terms of logic, what else could he have meant to convey by bringing up the notion of having committed some trespass against Yu-jin?
We would call it rape (attempted rape in actuality), but I think what he meant was (and, except for a sense of outrage that force was involved, I think that's how they took it), "I've been a bad boy, I'm ashamed, and I apologize, because I tried to take advantage of Yu-jin. She's a good girl, and she tried to fight me off, but I'm still a dirty dog." This had the added advantage of "sullying" Yu-jin so that a marriage would be all the more desirable in the eyes of the presumably very conservative families, especially Yu-jin's mother.
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Post by BAE on Feb 1, 2005 18:53:05 GMT -5
i can't believe SH would lie about something like that... and then, he says no he won't break up with yu-gin just because of that trying to get with her thing. that was truly insulting and revolting!
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Post by Alexa on Feb 2, 2005 9:46:35 GMT -5
About the whole rape issue, when Sanghyuk said "I did a shameful thing to Yujin" to me it didn't sound like he was admitting to raping or trying to rape her. It sounded more like, "I did a shameful thing, I slept with her, which I shouldn't have cause we're not married yet and I owe it to her to make her my wife." Thats why Cherin was saying that it was the 20th century, basically saying it's okay to sleep with your fiance. BUT then everybody else is probably thinking, well they slept together now they must get married. And thats probably why Sanghyuk said what he said. He figured if they thought they slept together, her mom would probably force her to get married. Well at least thats how I looked at it. I honestly don't think anybody saw it as rape/attempted rape. I don't think they would believe that Sanghyuk would do such a thing. And I definetely don't think that Sanghyuk would admit it.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 2, 2005 11:33:24 GMT -5
...It sounded more like, "I did a shameful thing, I slept with her, which I shouldn't have cause we're not married yet and I owe it to her to make her my wife.".. . Thanks, Alexa, that's what I was trying to say only my brain could not get the words to work. (That's my story. I'm sticking with it.) Whatever they thought he meant, the fact remains that he's a manipulative, abusive jerk and no one seems to have noticed, not even Yujin. Bo
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Post by hachiue on Feb 2, 2005 13:50:07 GMT -5
I agree that it could've meant that they just slept together. I wish they'd gone into a little more exposition in that scene, so the audience would know more clearly what to think about what he told them. I mean, ordinarily I would think that their reactions meant that they had just had premarital sex, but this here's a K-drama and we all know that people don't always react the way they would in a sane world. But, I think that him admitting to having slept with her (and not mentioning rape) is the most likely answer.
But it still pisses me off that everyone's such a jerk. Except for Joonsang, he's a doll.
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