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Post by Lovely on Jan 9, 2005 12:00:07 GMT -5
This was a pretty good episode in my opinion because I think Yu-jin let Min-hyung know that she wants to be with him. How about the sweet scene with YJ and MH snuggling on the bench together towards the end of the episode with the snow falling around them ? I really loved it when Sang-hyuk told Cherin that her plan to seperate MH and YJ by telling his mom about their relationship was a big flop because it only brought MH and YJ closer ? I still think that Min-hyung is really Joon-sang. After seeing this episode made me think it has to be true because of Min-hyung's mom's nervousness. She even said on the phone to someone in Episode 11, "Joon-sang is doing fine?" when she got to Korea !
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Post by Alexa on Jan 10, 2005 9:39:34 GMT -5
I still think that Min-hyung is really Joon-sang. After seeing this episode made me think it has to be true because of Min-hyung's mom's nervousness. She even said on the phone to someone in Episode 11, "Joon-sang is doing fine?" when she got to Korea ! Oh he is definetely Joonsang. His mom screwed up by saying that Minhyung had nearly drowned when he was 7 (and in Korea) and Minhyung corrected her by saying that it happened in the US. His mom was definetely nervous. And then they showed a flashback of when Joonsang was asking his mom who his father was. The reason I think why his mom has been lying to him about who he really is, is because she just doesn't want to tell him about his father. Okay what is up with Sanghyuk? At first I liked him, I thought he was this sweet and loving man, but man he has started to annoy me in the last couple of episodes. The man is crazy. He is so obsessed with Yujin. What part of "I just want us to be friends" didn't he understand? He knows Yujin doesn't want to be with him, the girl is telling him she doesn't want to be with him and he doesn't get it. I was so mad when he invited his parents and Yujin's mom to the concert and than had Yujin go up on stage with him and announce their wedding in a month. All of this after Yujin had broken up with him. I was mad at Sanghyuk for acting stupid like that and putting Yujin on the spot. I mean Yujin would not be the type of person to embarrass him in front of all those people and say she doesn't want to be with him. Did Sanghyuk think that by doing that Yujin would have no other option but to go along with it? I was so glad when she finally stood up and told everybody that she couldn't marry him. Now why would Sanghyuk tell his parents that he did an evil thing to Yujin? The way he made it seemed was that he and Yujin slept together and now he has to honor her by marrying her. Why didn't he say "oh I did an evil thing, I tried to rape her!" No, he only said what he thought he should say in order to get the family on his side, to basically force the marriage. I swear I am completely disappointed in Sanghyuk and don't like him. He might be just as crazy as Cherin. Maybe him and Cherin should get together. ;D
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Post by hachiue on Jan 10, 2005 11:21:20 GMT -5
I know that we only saw Joonsang's mother for a couple of minutes back in the beginning of the series, but I'm pretty sure it's the same person. She has to be - she came to the ski resort in an episode because of a concert; and when her picture was in the paper, it was the same woman. So why was she talking on the phone with someone saying that Joonsang was doing fine? I was confused about why he would have a different *last* name now (before it was the same as his mother's) but then thought that she probably married someone and then just had him adopt Joonsang.
I'm also wondering what that man's role was - the man she passed on his bike while driving in her car after she left Minhyung and Yujin at the cabin. He helped her with Joonsang/Minhyung, obviously, but I'm not sure how.
Anyway, I was really angry about what Sanghyuk did too, and don't see why that would get the families on his side! Yujin had every right to run off like that, and I don't see why her mother would be ashamed - apparently she (and his parents) aren't very good at judging people's character since they trusted Sanghyuk alone with her. At first I thought that Cherin was the evil one, but after her niceness when she saw Minhyung most recently and after Sanghyuk's mind-glooping insanity in how he treated Yujin with that "engagement celebration" after she'd already dumped him, I've changed my mind. (I'm glad that he is the villain and not Yon-sama!)
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Post by Lucy on Jan 10, 2005 11:29:06 GMT -5
Sanghyuk is definitely seeming unstable now. He's gone from your garden-variety, nice-guy-best-friend-in-love-with-heroine to borderline-crazy romantic obsessive. It's pathetic how he blames his mother for bringing things to a head--he wouldn't care if everyone knew the true state of his relationship with Yu-jin, just as long as they agreed to pretend they *didn't* know so he could continue to be with her. Like a wife who gets mad at the person who tells her her husband is having an affair, rather than the husband himself. In the words of Chief Wiggum (The Simpsons), "Why are the beautiful ones always crazy?" I wish I could see a good reason why these two men are in love with Yujin. But the Korean drama writers always seem to be hung up on portraying convoluted circumstances without creating characters to back it all up.
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Post by Alexa on Jan 10, 2005 11:30:16 GMT -5
At first I thought that Cherin was the evil one, but after her niceness when she saw Minhyung most recently and after Sanghyuk's mind-glooping insanity in how he treated Yujin with that "engagement celebration" after she'd already dumped him, I've changed my mind. (I'm glad that he is the villain and not Yon-sama!) I think Cherin was only pretending to be nice because she knew what Sanghyuk had planned and she figured once that happens, Yujin will have to marry him and Minhyung will be free. Remember Cherin told Minhyung something along the lines of "you have to go to the concert because something surprising is going to happen." Something like that. Anyways Sanghyuk is just an obsessed stalker and I have a feeling he is not going to give up. He seemed psychotic, the way he seemed to be in denial, after Yujin broke it off. The way he was introducing her as his fiance, holding her, like everything was fine. Anyways I thought Minhyung was such a sweetie. I loved it when he told Yujin "whatever decision you make I will be by your side." He was willing to let her choose, he was being forceful like Sanghyuk. At first Minhyung seemed like a punk, the way he was treating Yujin. But that was because of the things Cherin had told him. Not that it gives him an excuse but I guess he was confused. But now the tables have turned, Minhyung seems like the nice one now.
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Post by Lucy on Jan 10, 2005 11:34:59 GMT -5
Oh, also, about what happened to "Joonsang." Judging from his mom's behavior, I think that he sustained brain damage in the accident and there were reasons why his mom and everyone agreed to pretend he was someone else. I don't know what circumstances would make that a reasonable course of action, though I'll take a stab at it.
If it were just amnesia, there would be no reason to have him adopt a new identity or pretend that he'd never been to Korea. Maybe it was that fact that Joonsang thought that Yujin was his half-sister. Perhaps he was so traumatized by that that while he was recovering from the accident (probably in a long coma during which his brain figured out a way to protect him), he subconsciously rejected his entire previous life and identity, and for the sake of his health and sanity his mother thought it best to let him believe that??
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Post by Alexa on Jan 10, 2005 11:39:43 GMT -5
Hmm, that could be. When someone has amnesia they usually know that there are parts of their life they can't remember.
But he seems to remember a life that his never had. Growing up in the United States, going to school there, never being in Korea until now. It's pretty weird. But I definetely think he is Joonsang. He does and says alot of things that Joonsang did or said. Like when he told Sanghyuk, "hit me, why, you cant' hit me because you're not suppose to hit people?" Then Sanghyuk had a flashback of Joonsang telling him the exact same thing. His mother is obviously hiding something, and she did call him Joonsang and seemed very nervous when she was talking to him and Yujin. And what about him being able to play the piano.
I definetely think that Minhyung and Joonsang are one.
The only thing is that when the truth does come out, what is going to happen with him and Yujin? We still don't know if they are related. He could be either Sanghyuk's or Yujin's half-brother.
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Post by Lucy on Jan 10, 2005 11:55:32 GMT -5
Yes, that's the really confusing part. I wonder if he just took whatever memories he had of Korea and put them into his new identity that tells him he's never been to Korea before. Continuing mental fogginess seems in line with his weird form of memory loss. But then again, maybe we're overthinking this; I fear that a lot of things will remain unexplained, even after the main points are known. Oh yeah, me, too. I don't think we're meant to have any doubt about that at this point.
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Post by hachiue on Jan 10, 2005 14:23:54 GMT -5
I'm sure his childhood in the states could be easily faked too - his mother was a pianist and traveled for work. When he was that young, she probably took him with her and so they probably have pictures of him in the US.
Did anyone see the preview and what happened there? I will not spoil it, but Minhyung's mom had a conversation with Yujin about where she grew up and who her parents were.
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Post by Lucy on Jan 10, 2005 14:51:49 GMT -5
No, Jenny, I didn't watch the preview. I saw someone ask someone else a question to which I didn't want to know the answer, and so I looked away until it was over. I did see enough to know that the plot will be moving forward next week rather than just staying on Sanghyuk's jealousy and Yujin's mopiness. :-)
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Post by cannedcats3 on Jan 10, 2005 22:31:41 GMT -5
I thought it was quite strange that Sanghyuk's dad showed SO much interest in the newspaper article showing the return of Joonsang's mom - everybody is wondering who is related to whom.. ..it would serve Sanghyuk's mother right (her high-and-mightiness) if Joonsang and Sanghyuk were half-brothers!!!!
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Post by FlowerLady on Jan 10, 2005 23:40:03 GMT -5
if Joonsang and Sanghyuk were half-brothers!!!! This is what I think the truth is, too. The professor-type guy with the glasses who is Sanghyuk's dad may be Joonsang's real father, too. (although I don't think Joonsang's mother ever told the man or Joonsang that.----maybe Joonsang was the result of an illiciit affair and this is his mom's way of covering it up ater all these years?) Remember the black & white photo that Joonsang saw showing his mother between two men and the side with the other man's face was torn off the photo? Hmmmmmmmmmmm......... Also, remember right before Joonsang's accident, he was running away from Yujin. What had he found out and why did he initially not want to meet her at their agreed-upon street corner? Is his mother trying to honor and maintain Joonsang's perceived need for anonymity from his past being found out?
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Post by Alexa on Jan 11, 2005 9:31:13 GMT -5
Also, remember right before Joonsang's accident, he was running away from Yujin. What had he found out and why did he initially not want to meet her at their agreed-upon street corner? Joonsang ran away from Yujin because he had gone to Yujin's house and he was looking through some of her photo albums. In the photo album was a duplicate picuture of his mother and Sanghyuk's father, except this picture was the whole picture, which included Yujin's father. So the photo was Sanghyuks dad and Joonsang's mother holding on to Yujin's dad. So Joonsang goes to the Professor (Sanghyuk's dad) and asks him a few questions. The Professor tells him that he did in fact liked Joonsangs mother but that Joonsangs mother liked Yujin's dad. At that moment Joonsang figures out that Yujin's dad might be his dad and of course he is devastated. Thats why he didn't want to meet Yujin. And at last minute decided to go see her, got hit by a car and the rest is history. What is frustrating is that he should've just asked the Professor straight out "are you my father?" I don't think Joonsang's mother ever told the real father that she was pregnant and she obviously refused to tell her own son. Which is why I think this whole thing with the amnesia. She doesn't want the truth to come out so she is going along with Minhyung's amnesia. But the way I see it, Joonsang's dad could be either of the 2 men. Yujin's father has been dead for years so the only 2 people that would know are his mom and Sanghyuk's dad. I really hope him and Yujin are not brother and sister
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Post by Lucy on Jan 11, 2005 11:42:00 GMT -5
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Post by hachiue on Jan 11, 2005 12:10:06 GMT -5
Y'know, I'm not going to spoil anything here and I'm not going to visit the spoiler thread . . . but can I just get your sympathy for the following: while I was looking for the soundtrack album, I came across a description of the show that contained a small statement that SPOILED IT for me! ARGH!!! Why would someone selling a DVD of the show recap the entire plot? If you've seen the show and are buying it because you loved it, you already know how it turns out. If you haven't seen the show and are buying it because you've heard great things about it, you don't WANT to know-- so let this be a warning to my fellow board members: don't go looking on eBay for the OST or the DVD, because the same thing might happen to you. Oh no! Well, at least you didn't find out at the very beginning and did halfway through instead, eh?
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