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Post by navalpower89 on Nov 2, 2005 23:06:28 GMT -5
Were Konishi and Wakizaka both violent, bloody people in real life as they are depicted to be in the drama?
Did they needlessly cause deaths?
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Post by Trespasser on Nov 3, 2005 7:46:38 GMT -5
Since Konishi was a Kiristan who was trying to fool Hideyoshi into peace by whatever means, I doubt it.
As for Wakizaka, I have no idea. Only Kato Kiyomasa and Shimazu samurais had reputation for bloody ways.
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Post by IAPD3000 on Nov 4, 2005 10:28:21 GMT -5
Since Konishi was a Kiristan who was trying to fool Hideyoshi into peace by whatever means, I doubt it. As for Wakizaka, I have no idea. Only Kato Kiyomasa and Shimazu samurais had reputation for bloody ways. You spell the word Christian wrong, please check your spelling next time.
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Post by Trespasser on Nov 4, 2005 11:01:18 GMT -5
Sorry, but I did not.
Kiristan = Japanese word for Christian. Like Chokoreto = Chocolate in Japanese.
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Post by BungalowDweller on Nov 4, 2005 13:44:33 GMT -5
Interesting, tresspasser! One learns everyday!
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Post by FrederickII on Nov 4, 2005 14:47:20 GMT -5
Just because he was a Christian doesnt mean a thing. Allot of Koreans died and Konishi commanded the 1st Contingent. He probably had his share of atrosities.
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Post by Trespasser on Nov 4, 2005 19:16:42 GMT -5
So do you think one less Konishi and one more Kato would have made things better? I would say one more Konishi and one less Kato would even have prevented the second phase of the war, since Konishi was risking his own life trying to fool Hideyoshi into a cease-fire. At least a lot of men in Konishi's troops were Kiristans and there were Jesuit priests accompanying the troop, whom I sure gave a lot of ethics lectures..
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Post by ginnycat5 on Nov 4, 2005 21:00:41 GMT -5
So do you think one less Konishi and one more Kato would have made things better? I would say one more Konishi and one less Kato would even have prevented the second phase of the war, since Konishi was risking his own life trying to fool Hideyoshi into a cease-fire. At least a lot of men in Konishi's troops were Kiristans and there were Jesuit priests accompanying the troop, whom I sure gave a lot of ethics lectures.. Are you kidding? You're thinking merciful men?? Who ran the inquisition? If Others do not agree to worship as the rigid religious authorities do, they get slammed in some manner, perhaps killed. So if the Jesuits accompanied Christian soldiers, I would think that's where their sympathies would be, after all the Others are wrong, don'tcha know. I might be overdoing this, but I don't think the Jesuits were pacifists , anyway.
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Post by FrederickII on Nov 4, 2005 22:54:08 GMT -5
So do you think one less Konishi and one more Kato would have made things better? I would say one more Konishi and one less Kato would even have prevented the second phase of the war, since Konishi was risking his own life trying to fool Hideyoshi into a cease-fire. At least a lot of men in Konishi's troops were Kiristans and there were Jesuit priests accompanying the troop, whom I sure gave a lot of ethics lectures.. I don’t know....The Konishi on the drama and the one in real life may have been completely different. There were Portuguese Christians hanging around on Koreas southern coast purchasing Korean slaves though. As to the Jesuities. They were actually one of the good orders i think. They were pioneers of education ect. But, just because Konishi was a Christian doesn’t mean he would have reacted any differently if he wasn’t one. He was a Samurai...he , like all Samauri, knew how to cut a man head off in one blow. They gained experience by practicing on petty criminals. Did Konishi participate? Probably. He was a Samauri.
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Post by tim on Nov 5, 2005 0:16:34 GMT -5
u know, one thing that amazes me are Christian warriors. Christian warriors are some of the bloodiest religious groups (like the crusades). I also find it highly paradoxical that missionaries would spread Christianity through Chosun, it was because of them that started this war! (indirectly. The portugese missioners taught the Japanese western ways of war, in which they used it to invade Chosun.) what's more, the missioners only care about their "god" and passing on the religion, but why should anyone worship your religion while it is YOU who is conquering their land and torturing their people? Christian missionaries during that time and the Imperialistic eras are some of the most hypocractic people ever.
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Post by Trespasser on Nov 5, 2005 1:06:19 GMT -5
Actually Konishi wasn't; he was a rich merchant, who earned Hideyoshi's trust by being a dependable supplier. Anyhow, Konishi's portrayal in YSS was all-wrong, he was one of few doves who did not believe in the war. Nobody knows why he was against the war; maybe it disrupted his profitable trade business. Whatever the reason was, Konishi was against the war.
As for Konishi's ways, note that Konishi wasn't a convert; he was born a Kiristan and was pretty faithful to his faith.
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