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Post by moot on Jul 19, 2005 15:58:25 GMT -5
Well we did not skip ep. 62 in Chicago. It aired on 6/6. Moot where are you watching IYSS? American stations may consider editing episodes for content or to make an episode fit into a time slot. If a station chose to *drop* an episode the only one that can answer your question to why is the station programmers themselves. As for the violence, we are watching a show about war. I think so far (ep. 74 only in Chicago) has been moderate for such a violent topic. I cannot comment on ep. 89 yet. I don't think the thought is to glorify the bloodiness of war but to show how horrific war really is. That is why we see stressed in the series concern for the innocent lives lost. I don't think this concern and mourning for this innocence would be so effective if we were not exposed to this horror first. We also see the bravery of the citizens who rose up to defend their country as well. Just my 2 cents. Hmm i feel like everyone has seen 62 except for those where i am.(i am near one of the posters called Mali) We get a full hour per show.(no cms) Two episodes per week. So it doesn't really make much sense to drop one episode. But i certainly agree with your over all comment that this is a war story so some brutality is expected. Hey, that's the American way. hmm thats not good... Just several more years and this will all be over Well, thank you very much, moot. I'm sure we all feel much better now. Don't worry, Florel is not "leaving," she's on vacation. It's common in Paris to take a month off when it is so very hot. Bo Ok just was not sure as she seemed to have left in a bad mood.
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Post by BungalowDweller on Jul 20, 2005 10:11:38 GMT -5
About Ep. 89 there would be different opinions. The young spectators like BD's daughter should not see "that scenes". But actors are really good, though. Kudos to the actors ! I've seen the pix posted for these episodes and my kid will leave the room. I've appreciated the discussion here. For my final statement on this thread (I have no desire to stir the pot to create ill-will) I believe that the very discussion of "realism" in modern film is a topic worthy of discussion. Those young enough not to remember may not know that the advent of "realism" in film began with the U.S. film of the 60's "Bonnie and Clyde". Audiences were shocked with the final scene--a shoot-out between police and gangsters. Today that scene wouldn't rate a yawn. People's tolerance for things increase with exposure to the thing--whether it be violence or anything else. What I've found troubling are the veiled attacks"If you find it so troubling, you shouldn't watch it" and the comments along the line of "you shouldn't say such and such". Whatever happened to the idea, "I may not agree with what you are saying but I will defend to the death your right to say it?" Now that is an American sentiment, spoken by a founding father/revolutionary. Maybe we don't all share that view. But I do. And this is an American board. I welcome thoughts and ideas that are radically different from mine as I can learn, broaden my thought life and maybe change a personal opinion. But I despise "thought police" in any form. There is no such thing as "politically correct" behavior/speech. That philosophical idea was the property of Karl Marx and recently millions of people have rejected that "ideal" for something better. Violence affects people differently. I went to a premiere showing of "Saving Private Ryan" in my town. My sister's father- in-law went with other WWII buddies. They left the theatre en masse during the beach scene. Some of the FIL's friends returned when that scene concluded. The father in law could not bring himself to go back into the theatre. A wimp? I don't think so. He was one of the few who survived Iwo Jima climbing up to Mt. Surabachi. (sp?) Everyone on this board loves this story or we wouln't be here talking about it. No one expects to watch a war story devoid of blood and guts. Skinz began this thread with a personal observation/opinion about the use of (again, his opinion) Gratuitous/Excessive violence in the particular scene. No one is advocating censorship here and the "all or nothing" "agree with me or don't watch" attitude is downright silly. We are all entitled not only to hold personal opinions, but we are able to Express them. Like my kid says when someone doesn't like something she says that is "different" or unpopular--"Tough toenail!" Or...a more adult response would be a Japanese adage. "Power means not having to repond."
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Post by TheBo on Jul 20, 2005 13:07:18 GMT -5
bungalowdweller, if I ever meet you I'm going to give you a big hug. Thank you for stating that so well. I agree completely with your statements, particularly about our rights as Americans and how we ought to discuss things with each other.
"Tough toenail"? Hah, hah. I think the equivalent from my childhood was "tough patooties." What can I say, I grew up in Wisconsin.
Bo
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Post by moot on Jul 20, 2005 23:43:24 GMT -5
No one is advocating censorship here and the "all or nothing" "agree with me or don't watch" attitude is downright silly. We are all entitled not only to hold personal opinions, but we are able to Express them. Personally i dont find that ideal silly. It is better to be in control ,rather than the government in control of what we watch. It is my choice what i subject myself to watching. It is also my manuel control wether i want to see things or not. What would be silly is if i forced myself to watch bloody horror movies,knowingly hating watching them in the first place. Then complaining about how bloody the Scenes in the horror movie was in a forum. The point of complaining about a situation when the person knowingly subjects themselves to it,is rather asinine. I really dont think it is healthy for someone who does not like violence to begin with,to stick it out to the end of the show either. IMO
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Post by florel on Jul 30, 2005 11:49:40 GMT -5
Hey, florel you're leaving? Oui et non... (= Yes and no...) LOL What I said was "I'll leave (Paris) to enjoy my summer time (in a place) where there is no TV and no internet. LOL Thanks, moreshige, for worrying about me, anyway. I'm very good. I passed time with pleasant, polite and civilized fellows. Bo : I returned to Paris a couple of days ago. Yesterday I saw "Wittgenstein" of Derek Jarman in a cinema theatre in the Quartier Latin. And I bought a DVD ("Il gattopardo" of Luchino Visconti) and several books. I'm reading "Harry Potter and HBP" of J. Rowling. I also purchased Umberto Eco's new novel "La misteriosa fiamma della regina Loana" (in French translation of course), Alexandre Dumas' historical novel "La Dame de Monsoreau" (set in the end of the 16th Century !) and a used book of Edward Gibbon's "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (Byzantium part - in French translation again)". I'll stay several days in Paris before I'll leave again. Lots of thing to read and to view. LOL bungalowdweller : I would like to let you know that I sincerely and completely agree with you.
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Post by TheBo on Jul 31, 2005 18:26:38 GMT -5
Ma, non, mon amiga mia! (LOL) Thank you so much for stopping by! But how will you have time to watch anything if you are reading like the librarian! Ho, ho!
Hey! I think you are one ahead of me on le Harry Potter! Merde.
Bo
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Post by florel on Jul 31, 2005 20:35:39 GMT -5
Hey! I think you are one ahead of me on le Harry Potter! Merde. Oh, mon amie. It's not Harry Potter. C'est Arry Potter ! ;D It was very very dark episode. (No further mention in order to avoid a spoiler.) But I cannot help laughing when Fleur Delacour speaks in English. I'm imitating her accent for amusing myself. "I 'ate 'im." lol
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Post by skinz on Sept 3, 2005 17:16:21 GMT -5
Just decided to bring this topic back again since its gonna air soon in NYC sunday.
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Post by luvarchfiend on Sept 4, 2005 18:55:50 GMT -5
Just decided to bring this topic back again since its gonna air soon in NYC sunday. skinz, i just wanted to say thanks for the warning. i don't handle these things very well so i know to be careful in watching this episode. your advance remarks are greatly appreciated. luvarchfiend
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Post by RoxelanaHybrida on Sept 7, 2005 9:46:10 GMT -5
I'm a longtime lurker first time poster who has been watching this show from the beginning. I just watched the episode last night and I have to say that I'm really glad I read this thread first, so I could brace myself for what was coming. Even so, I had to get up and leave the room at one point. That in no way diminished the effectiveness of the episode. The performances by all the actors were nothing short of amazing. I was especially moved by the brave face that the Admiral's wife put on when she saw him.
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Post by kathleen34 on Sept 7, 2005 11:31:10 GMT -5
The performances by all the actors were nothing short of amazing.
YES! To me, it was very much like watching the Passion of The Christ. You really felt you were a part of those scenes. The scenes with his wife and mother... were so extraordinarily portrayed.
Living your beliefs, what a powerful message YSS gives.
thank you for the carefully thought out references to this episode 89
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Post by Alexa on Sept 13, 2005 8:56:24 GMT -5
I saw episode 89 over the weekend, and OMG that episode was so sad and crazy. It was horrible to watch YSS have to endure all that torture when all he wanted to do was defend his country. Why did they have to keep torturing him all day? I'm surprise the man didn't die. How horrible he must've felt to be called a traitor and to know that the country he so much loved and wanted to protect with his life had turned against him (by that I mean the King.) But I have to say he was a brave man to willingly be taken to the King knowing what awaited him, I don't know if I could've done that. Death is one thing, but torture, man thats to much.
And in yesterday's episode, what was up with Won Kyun? That man is seriously crazy, why was he killing his own men? There was a scene where he was just slicing the neck of some soldiers for no reason. I think he's really losing it, and its so sad how he doesn't want to listen to any advice. Everything that YSS has worked so hard for throughout the years, Won Kyun can ruin in a matter of days. Why does he have to be so hard headed? Even as he read YSS war strategies and realized that all YSS wanted to do was to defend his country, he still called him a bastard. That man has serious issues.
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Post by roxelanahybrida on Sept 13, 2005 10:53:26 GMT -5
I remember someone else on this board comparing him to Macbeth. That's a perfect comparison. It reminded me of King Lear, too, if you look at the two toady generals as being the two bad kidswho tell him mainly what he wants to hear even as he self distructs, and Young-nam as the good kid who tells him the truth even when it hurts.
Speaking of Young-nam...Love ;D the avatar luvarchfiend!!!
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Post by mikey on Sept 13, 2005 15:18:13 GMT -5
And in yesterday's episode, what was up with Won Kyun? That man is seriously crazy, why was he killing his own men? There was a scene where he was just slicing the neck of some soldiers for no reason. I think he's really losing it . . . I’m pretty sure those sailors were deserters – which is why Won Kyun dealt with them so viciously. But, who can blame them? He does seem to be losing it. Looking forward to tonight’s episode. Will that lunatic be leading YSS’s glorious navy into destruction this evening?
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Post by bb on Sept 13, 2005 18:35:31 GMT -5
minister yoon du had too much influence over the king with the spread of his propaganda. So i think thats why the king went berserk and took it out on Ysshin. *takes big stick and smacks minister yoon du on the butt* yea how you you like that...
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