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Post by florel on Apr 12, 2005 19:03:05 GMT -5
Episode 47 : The Crown Prince Installation Affair (January, 1591) - This political incident is attested only in the Westerners' sources. Many specialists consider it as a fiction invented by the Westerners to reproach the "treacherous" Northerners (a branch of the Easterners). But this episode has been adopted by Korean historical dramatists as an interesting subject of political conspiration. - Yu Sung-Ryong didn't plot with Prince Gwang-Hae to expel Yu Du-Su as in the drama. - According to the Westerners' sources, the Prime Minister Yi San-Hae would have planned the Westerners' fall. - At any way, it's a historical fact that the Westerners fell from grace and lost their power in January 1591. From that time, the Easterners retained power until the outbreak of the Imjin War. - Won Kyun's discharge and YSS's appointement in February, 1591 (Episodes 40-41) are due to the fall of the Westerners. Therefore, the drama changes the historical chronology by depicting the Crown Prince Affair in Episode 47. (I don't like the writers of IYSS ! )
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Post by chigirl68 on Apr 13, 2005 8:10:38 GMT -5
Thanks for keeping us aware of the actual timing of events. Some of us are too lazy (well me at least) to look up facts and compare. Your post are always very appreciated. I can understand how frustrating it would be to see the differences when you KNOW the facts.
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Post by TheBo on Apr 13, 2005 13:32:18 GMT -5
Just as an aside, I think the actor that plays that Prime Minister Yi San-Hae is the cutest thing in boots. Oh, baby.
;D
Bo
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Post by florel on Apr 13, 2005 18:25:19 GMT -5
Uppsss... I meant to say "inspired" instead of "inspirited". Chigirl : Thanks for your encouragement. Bo : Yes, he is cute and handsome. The actor of Yi San-Hae played also in AOW. He was a Koryo envoy dispatched to Jin's emperor (Episodes 12-13). Now he takes more important role in IYSS than in AOW.
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Post by skinz on Apr 14, 2005 12:04:51 GMT -5
I got a question..
Was there a real Yu Jung? (the chinese general who always made deals with the japanese in episodes 1-4)
I tried to look for some info but came up empty. I know about Admiral Chen Lin and General Li Rusong but nothing about Yu Jung. Is it a misspelling of his name?
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Post by florel on Apr 14, 2005 13:35:10 GMT -5
Yu Jung is the Korean pronunciation of Liu Ting.
Koreans call Chen Lin as Jin Lin and Li Rusong as Yi Yeosong.
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Post by florel on Apr 14, 2005 13:56:06 GMT -5
Yi Duk-Hyung (1561-1613) (in Ep. 1-4) --- (from Ep. 37) With pen name Haneum, Yi Duk-Hyung is the youngest Prime Minister in Chosun history. He was the son-in-law of the Prime Minister Yi San-Hae. During the Japanese invasion, he performed diplomatic missions. Acquainted with the Japanese as the diplomatic receptionist of Genso in 1588 (Episode 37), he was designated as a peace negociator by Konishi Yukinaga in 1592 (Episode 58 sq.). He also went to the Ming China to ask for a relieving force. He was the record breaker of every governmental posts as the youngest appointee. He became Right Deputy Prime Minister at the age of thirty-seven (in 1598 ; IYSS Episodes 1-4) and the Prime Minister at the age of forty-one (in 1602). Politically, he is classified as a Southerner while his father-in-law was the leader of the Northerners. It's because he belongs to the school of Toegye Yi Hwang (master of the Easterners, and especially of the Southerners). But, in fact, he had a moderate position among the political factions. He was the best friend of Yi Hang-Bok (son-in-law of Marshal Kwon Yul). They are well known among Korean public as the famous gag duo ("Osung & Haneum") by their legendary naughty adventures in their youth. They don't make jokes in this serious war drama. But the writers give allusions of their friendship in Episode 57 and the following episodes. Fact and Fiction : Yi Duk-Hyung in Episodes 1-4Historically, he accompanied Liu Ting(Yu Jung)'s army and he was present at the siege of Waekyo Castle in Suncheon in 1598 (Episode 1). After the Naval Battle of Noryang, he reported to the court about the death of Admiral YSS. But, in episodes 1-4 of the drama, he is in Seoul and he does nothing. lol
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Post by moreshige on Apr 14, 2005 20:34:44 GMT -5
I accidently deleted my previous posting on Chinju Battles when I tried to anglonized some french words which I used unconsciously. I wanted to correct vocabulary mistakes that change entirely the signification of phrase. But it's the posting itself which disappears by mistake of click. Aigu I try to recover a part of important points with some detail additions : - The first siege of Chinju continued from the 5 Octobre to 10 October 1592. At this battle, the Japanese lost 20,000 troops out of 30,000 against 3,800 Korean troops under the command of Kim Shi-Min. Unfortunately, Kim Shi-Min was wounded by a bullet in the head at the end of the battle. About the date of his death, there are two theories : the on the 18 October or on the 26 December 1592. He died at the age of 38. At that time, he was more famous than YSS among the Japanese by his victory at Chinju. - The second siege of Chinju took place between the 22-29 June 1593 by 100,000 Japanese troops against 3,500 Korean soldiers and militias. The Japanese wanted to have their revenge on Kim Shi-Min without knowing his death. Resentful at the first failure, Hideyoshi ordered to exterminate everyone and to destroy everything in the Chinju castle. After gaining victory, the Japanese troops massacred 60,000 civilians. And... the famous story of Non Gae, a Korean woman who plunged into the river with a Lt. of Kato Kiyomasa Kato Kiyomasa's officer's name was Keyamura Rokunosuke. Non Gae lured him to the cliff edge and locked her arms around him and plunged into the river, thus drowning them both. There's a memorial shrine attributed to her next to the pavilion on Chinju's cliff.
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Post by moreshige on Apr 14, 2005 20:53:55 GMT -5
General Kwon Yul was another skilled and famous general during the war. After he took over Toksan castle near Seoul in 1593, they soon ran desparately short of water. The Japanese knew this as they besiged the castle. But Kwon Yul, thereby instructed his men to take a horse to the highest visible point on the castle grounds and pour buckets of rice over it. To the Japanese from a distance, it looked like the Chosen soldiers were washing their horses with enough water to spare. And because of that the Japanese gave up their attack!
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Post by skinz on Apr 21, 2005 8:12:11 GMT -5
Since we covered some Korean and Japanese history, what about some Ming?
Is there anyone that knows about the chinese warriors during the imjin war?
I'm want to know more about them.
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Post by luvarchfiend on Apr 24, 2005 18:04:07 GMT -5
florel, i am very happy you found inspiration to continue this. thanks to all of you for the information. while i am enjoying most of the story altogether, it is mainly the facts that interest me, therefore, making this thread especially important.
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Post by chigirl68 on Apr 25, 2005 7:42:40 GMT -5
Since we covered some Korean and Japanese history, what about some Ming? Is there anyone that knows about the chinese warriors during the imjin war? I'm want to know more about them. I can't help you Skinz. But I did find this forum (not to distract from this one) China History Forum
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Post by florel on Apr 25, 2005 17:54:37 GMT -5
The incident where the japanese envoy threw items on the floor and the dancing girls rushed to them is true. However, I've read different things that was thrown. This episode is mentioned in The Book of Correction(Chingbirok). Only Chung-Hyang is a fictional element in this incident. Yu Sung-Ryong said that the Japanese envoy threw Hocho. I guess the drama subtitled it as pepper. Interestingly enough, pepper is Huchu in modern Korean.
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Post by TheBo on Apr 25, 2005 17:56:39 GMT -5
...Yu Sung-Ryong said that the Japanese envoy threw Hocho. I guess the drama subtitled it as pepper. Interestingly enough, pepper is Huchu in modern Korean. And what is hocho? Bo
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Post by florel on Apr 25, 2005 18:02:34 GMT -5
I googled to verify. Hocho is Piper nigrum L., that is to say Pepper.
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