- I made corrections of a minor fault along with spell mistakes as I did it as usual. Notably, the Japanese troops defeated at Woo-du-ryong, Ji-rye and Sarang-am were a detached force of the 6th Contingent and not that of the 7th.
- I deleted an info that I'm judging unreliable : the damage of the Japanese soldiers in the Battle of Woon-am (the 25th June 1592). The web site I found wrote that 1,200 Japanese soldiers of the 6th Contingent would have died. But finally I consider it as being exaggerated.
- I inserted more detailed infos about troop numbers for some battles and more photos of Daedun Mountain in which the Ichi Pass is situated.
Post by polaris silvertree on Aug 16, 2005 3:38:13 GMT -5
I've really enjoyed the IYSS series except for one annoying point. If others have mentioned it -- forgive me ... but is it just me or do the Japanese in the series seem almost a little too contrived? I know the Japanese were pretty brutal and perhaps harsh in many ways -- but I think one issue I have in this series is that they are portrayed as inherently evil with their evil cackles (every other samurai get together it seems) and their wild eyed fanatical look. I think it takes away from the realism of this series -- because the Japanese are portrayed so unrealistically. Finally -- did anyone ever see Yi Sun Shin actually blink in this series??
Post by pakyownage4eva on Aug 16, 2005 6:44:54 GMT -5
lol no I don't think I've ever seen the Admiral blink. that's why he's special.
There isn't much character development of Japanese warriors other than their portrayal as brutal guys but I think that's understandable. If they're "unrealistic" that's too bad; you're only perceived as well as you behaved in the past...
They did display a humane side to Wakizaka that I thought was respectable, such as trying to save his subordinates from the punishment that he deserves.
I think the japanese in this story were portrayed quite well. Because in japanese society if you are always gentile and caring(showing compassion) in your manerisms. It could be a man being percieved too feministic or gay. therefore it was percieved to be manly by acting rude and cold.
Post by NoNipponHere on Aug 16, 2005 23:16:57 GMT -5
I agree with the poster about the Japanese being too contrived... I want my enemy to look like they are smart, intelligent, and real -- not some cartoon character! I especially want the Japanese to respect our Yi Sun Shin and not discredit the show because we are too bias in our stereotype of Japanese... I do believe you can make them more realistic without all of the laughing and scowls.
I did see Yi Sun Shin close his eyes once in the night, but when he opened his eyes again -- it was morning!! ;D
Post by pakyownage4eva on Aug 17, 2005 18:16:43 GMT -5
I agree with the poster about the Japanese being too contrived... I want my enemy to look like they are smart, intelligent, and real -- not some cartoon character!
I did see Yi Sun Shin close his eyes once in the night, but when he opened his eyes again -- it was morning!! ;D
Haha, clever... I agree with you too, to an extent, because when the admiral crushes the Japanese fleet (twenty three times), I want it to seem like brilliant victories against formidable opponents. Improving the Japanese characters would appease Japanese viewers...
But, what the drama portrays is not stereotype. Either that or this stereotype has been repeated in history everytime Japan decides to invade Korea and China. I think many of you are familiar with the Rape of Nanjing, in which 300,000 civilians and soldiers were brutally murdered in a number of barbaric ways... From what I know, Japanese government or military still hasn't officially apologized for that or their numerous other war crimes, including those toward Korea.
Therefore, I don't think the drama needs to treat the Japanese any better.
Besides, General Konishi seems like a cool guy along with Wakizaka, though he's more aggressive.
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- attack : Kim Myun, Chung In-Hong, Bae Seol* (army and militia) - defence : Mori Terumoto (7th Contingent)
- The Japanese army wins. - The huge defeat of the Chosunese is due to the disobedience of Bae Seol, High Magistrate of Hap-cheon, who doesn't want to be placed under the command of the militia leader Kim Myun and to follow his tactics. He doesn't block the Japanese relieving forces coming from Gae-ryong. It's not his first disobedience. He also disobeyed Kim Myun's order in the 1st Battle of Sungju.
* Bae Seol, the Admiral of twelve ships, will show up in future episodes !
the 16th September
- Kim Sung-Il is transferred to the post of Governor of Right Kyungsang province. He orders Kim Shi-Min, who has supported Kim Myun's military activities, to return Chinju and to defend the castle.
- The Japanese army wins. Yu Sung-In's troops are annihilated. - When Commander Yu Sung-In retreats from Chang-won and arrives in Chinju, he wishes to enter in the castle, but Kim Shin-Min refuses to let him enter. Yu Sung-In fights outside of the East Gate of Chinju Castle. Commander Yu and Magistrate of Sacheon (Chung Deuk-Yeol) are killed in the battle.
Yu Sung-In (? - 1592)
the 6th-11th October
62) the 1st Battle of Chinju (Kyungsang) - Ep. 80
- attack : Hosokawa Tadaoki (aka Nagaoka Tadaoki) -> 30,000 troops - defence : Kim Shi-Min, Yi Gwang-Ak (army) -> 3,800 troops + militia guerrillas outside of Chinju Castle
- Great victory of the Chosunese army and militia. - The Japanese lost 20,000 out of 30,000 troops. Hosokawa Okimoto, brother of Hosokawa Tadaoki, is killed in this battle. - Kim Shi-Min is wounded by a bullet in the head at the end of the battle on the 11th October. He will die soon. Yi Gwang-Ak, Magistrate of Gon-yang, commands the Chosunese soldiers after Kim Shi-Min is injured. Yi Gwang-Ak will become Commander of Cholla Army in 1597-1598.
- The role of Chosunese militia is primordial for the victory of the 1st Battle of Chinju. Gwak Jae-Woo, Choe Kyung-Hoe, Chung Ki-Ryong and many other militia and army leaders take offensives against the Japanese outside of Chinju Castle.
Kim Shi-Min (1554-1592)
Nagaoka Tadaoki (=Hosokawa Tadaoki)
- Fact & Fiction : In the drama, the role of Kim Sung-Il, Governor of Right Kyungsang province, is omitted. In fact, it was Kim Sung-Il who organized the whole (internal and external) defenses of Chinju Castle. He orders Kim Shi-Min to reinforce the defense preparation, Yi Gwang-Ak to enter in Chinju Castle for reinforcement and regular army and militia leaders to move toward Chinju castle.
- After the death of Kim Shi-Min, Governor Kim Sung-Il designated Seo Ye-Won (Constable of Kimhae) as his successor in Chinju. Constable Seo had followed Kim Sung-Il and fought against the Japanese under his command since he took flight from Kimhae Castle. Seo Ye-Won was killed in the 2nd Battle of Chinju in June 1593.
- Emperor Wanli appoints Li Rusong (Yi Yeo-Song) as Chief Commander of the 2nd reinforcement troops for Chosun.
the 18th October
- Emperor Wanli appoints Song Yingchang (Song Eung-Chang), Deputy Vice Minister of War, as Military Commissioner (jinglue) and the Ming's court settles down to preparation for sending reinforcements to Chosun.
- Sung Yun-Mun, Commander of the South (Ham-kyung province), gains victory over the Japanese. He will become Commander of Right Kyungsang Army in 1594 and Commander of Left Kyungsang Army in 1597-1598.
- Victory of the Japanese. - Konishi Yukinaga makes a sudden assault on the Chosun militia's encampment in Jung-hwa. - Defeated by Konishi's men, the militia leader Im Jung-Ryang retreats to Anju. He will become Hight Constable and Defense Commander of Anju in 1593 and will participate in the 3rd Battle of Pyung-yang.
the 4th December
- Yu Sung-Ryong is appointed Supreme Commander (dochechalsa) of Pyung-an province.
the 7th-14th December
70) the 3rd Battle of Sungju (Kyungsang)
- attack : Kim Myun, Choe Kyung-Hoe, Chung In-Hong (militia and army) - defence : Fukushima Masanori (5th Contingent)
- The Japanese army wins. - The Chosunese fail again to recover Sungju Castle. It will be recovered only on the 15th January 1593.
the 10th December
- 1,000 troops of Ming's vanguard come across the Ap-rok (Yalu) River.
- 3,000 Chosunese army and militia troops in Ham-kyung province under the command of Chung Mun-Bu and Chung Kyun-Ryong encircle Gilju Castle. They killed 400 Japanese soldiers in the vicinity of Gilju.
December (unknown date)
71) the Battle of Doksung Mountain Castle in Suwon (Kyung-ki)
- The Chosun army wins. Ukida Hideie retreats to Seoul. - Seon Geo-Yi (Commander of Cholla Army) and Cho Kyung (Assistant Defense Commandant) also participate in the battle.
- In December 1592, Governor Kwon Yul leaves from Cholla province and marches to northward with his troops in order to recover Seoul. He arrives in Suwon (Kyung-ki province), south of Seoul. Instead of attacking Seoul directly, because of his hard experience in Yong-In Battle, he stations his troops in Doksung Mountain Castle (aka Doksansung), located at a strategic point.
- Worried about supply cut by the Chosun army, Ukida Hideie attacks Doksung Moutain Castle. But Kwon Yul fools Ukida with various brilliant tactics. Continuously harassed by the Chosun army and by cold weather, Ukida is obliged to retreat to Seoul. Kwon Yul sends 1,000 soldiers to make a raid on retreating Japanese army.
* Famous Episode : Moreshige's posting from page 3 of this thread (about Kwon Yul's tactic in Doksung Castle)
General Kwon Yul was another skilled and famous general during the war. After he took over Toksan castle [aka Doksung Mountain Castle] near Seoul in 1593 [*with solar calendar], they soon ran desperately short of water. The Japanese knew this as they besieged the castle. But Kwon Yul, thereby instructed his men to take a horse to the highest visible point on the castle grounds and pour buckets of rice over it. To the Japanese from a distance, it looked like the Chosen soldiers were washing their horses with enough water to spare. And because of that the Japanese gave up their attack!
Semadae (Washing area for horses) - Historic Site No.140
- The militia chief leader Kim Myun is appointed Commander of Right Kyungsang Army.
the 6th-9th January
73) the 3rd Siege of Pyung-yang Castle (Pyung-an) - Ep. 80 (narration)
- attack : Li Rusong (43,000 Chineses), Kim Myung-Won (10,000 Chosunese army and militia) - defence : Konishi Yukinaga (1st Contingent) -> 10,000 troops
- Victory of the Chosun-Ming ally. Recovery of Pyung-yang Castle. - Yi Il and Kim Eung-Suh(=Kim Ungso) participate in this battle. - Konishi retreats from Pyung-yang to Seoul.
- After the fall of Pyung-yang Castle, Ming's chief commander Li Rusong (Yi Yeo-Song) massacres 10,000 Chosunese civilians in Pyung-yang Castle for his head collection. Commander Li fakes their heads as Japanese ones.
Li Rusong (is almost an extra in IYSS)
the 12th January
- Konishi joins Kuroda's troops stationing in Hwang-hae province. - The Japanese troops (except Kato Kiyomasa's men who have been standing a siege in Ham-kyung province) start retreating and assembling in Seoul.
the 15th January
- Kim Myun recovers Sungju Castle (Kyungsang province).
yeah, skinz, it's lamentable that the dramatic historical events between December 1592 and February 1593 are cut off. Always budget problems !
And it's interesting to note that the IYSS dramatists didn't treat or rarely treat winter battles of the Imjin War. They did it finally for the 1st Battle of Ulsan. But the result became ridiculous. We saw green lawn on screen instead of snow and ice !
Just as like you, I'll eagerly see 300 episodes of Imjin War drama. ;D
- Great victory of the Chosunese. - Damage of the Japanese army : more than 10,000 dead and wounded.
- Haengju Mountain Castle, with an altitude of 124m above sea level, is situated 25km of southeast of Seoul. (actual Haengju dong, Koyang city, Kyungki province)
- After their victory over the Ming's army at Byok-che-gwan, the Japanese commanders want to sweep the Chosun army out, especially Kwon Yul's troops who have been irritating them. But their offensive ends with failure and huge defeat. - Among Japanese officers, Akashi Yoemon (spell?), Dojaki Hikoemonnojo (spell?) are killed in the battle. According to Korean historical writings, Ukida Hideie, Ishida Mitsunari, Kikkawa Hiroie (1561-1625) are supposed to be injured.
- Kwon Yul was in Haengju Mountain Castle with 2,300 men and other commanders (Seon Geo-Yi, Yi Bin, Kim Myung-Won et al.) were stationing in neighboring areas with more than 8,000 troops.
- After the Battle of Haengju, Kwon Yul will join Marshal Kim Myung-Won and Gen. Yi Bin in Paju in order to avoid standing isolated.
- YSS's third attack on Ungpo. He destroys 10 Japanese ships. But two Chosunese ships are run aground in shoal water when they attack the enemy without following the Admiral's order.
the 22th February
- YSS's fourth attack on Ungpo.
the 23th February
- Kim Myun, Commander of Right Kyungsang Army flogs Bae Seol, Magistrate of Hapchun, with 20 blows because he didn't follow Commander Kim's order. Magistrate Bae also disobeyed him when he was the militia chief commander. (This small information is a precious gift to Bae Seol's fans including myself. )
the 28th February
- YSS's fifth attack on Ungpo. - Admiral Won Kyun collects fishermen' heads.
* From YSS's Diary : "At daybreak sailed to Kadok. The enemy vessels at Ungchon seem unwilling, and there was no sign of fighting spirit in the enemy camp. When our ships were sailing toward Toksarimok [actual Busan city], ... the Right wing Commandant gave an alarm, so all boats hastened to the scene under full sail and surrounded an islet, only to find a boat ... [of Right Kyungsang Navy] going in and out the bay hurriedly in a suspicious manner, so they were arrested and sent to Kyongsang Commander Admiral Won Kyun, who was angered by the action. He said he ordered the sailors on those two boats to cut off the heads of the local fishermen and bring them to him. ..." (28 February 1593) lol
- Victory of the Chosun army. Recovery of Juksan and Eumjuk Castles in Kyung-ki province (near Seoul). - Hwang Jin, recovered from his wound he recieved in Ichi Battle (July 1592), comes back. He will become Commander of Chunchong Army in March 1593 and participate in the 2nd Battle of Chinju in June 1593.
- A truce conference between Ming and Japan.
the 6th March
- YSS's sixth attack on Ungpo.
the 10th March
- Toyotomi Hideyoshi gives his consent to the Japanese commanders' withdrawal from Seoul. - 10,000 Japanese troops plunder Seoul and neighboring areas.
- YSS's fleet returns to Saryang. End of the Fifth Maritime Operation.
* Kim Myun, a northerner confucian scholar, was the chief leader of volunteer soldiers in 1592 and Commander of Right Kyungsang Army between January 1593 and March 1593.
** From early 1593, Chosun starts suffering from epidemics and famine.
83) the Battle of No-won-pyung (Kyung-ki)
- attack : Yi Shi-Uhn, Ko Uhn-Baek, Yujeong (army and militia) - defence : Japanese army under Ukida Hideie or Kato Kiyomasa
- Victory of the Chosunese army and militia.
- Yujeong aka the Great Monk Samyung was famous leader of buddhist monk volunteer soldiers during the Imjin War. His real name was Im Eung-Kyu. He met Kato Kiyomasa for truce conferences in 1594. After the end of the Imjin War, he went to Japan as an envoy. He met Tokugawa Ieyasu for peace talks and brought 4,000 Korean POW back to Chosun.
[img src="http://image.ohmynews.com/down/images/1/quixtar_212584_1.jpg"] The Great Monk Samyung visiting Japan (mural painting in Shin-reuk Temple in Jechun, Chungchong province, 19th century)
Portrait of Samyung aka Yujeong
April 1593 (Kyesa year)
- Debut of the long-haul peace talks between Ming and Japan (until 1597).
- YSS's fleet returns to Yosu.
- Song Yingchang (Song Eung-Chang) meets the Japanese commanders in Seoul for cease-fire negotiation.
- The Japanese army retreats from Seoul.
- The Japanese army completes their retreat from Seoul. - The Chosunese commanders Yi Bin and Yi San-Hui attack the Japanese rear force of Nabeshima.
- The Chosun-Min ally enters in Seoul. Kwon Yul and Yu Sung-Ryong also enter in Seoul. - Governor Kwon Yul tries to chase after the Japanese troops, but his will is frustrated by the interference of the Mings.
- Kim Sung-Il, Governor of Right Kyungsang province, dies of sickness.
- The Japanese army arrives in Busan.
- The Left and Right Cholla Navies' rendez-vous in Yosu.
- The Cholla Navies set sail from Yosu. The Debut of the 2nd Maritime Operation in Kyesa Year (1593).
Forces of Chosun Navy :
YSS - 42 battleships Yi Ok-Ki - 54 battleships Won Kyun - 7 battleships
total - 103 battleships
- YSS meets officers of the Right Kyungsang Navy except Commander Won Kyun who is unprepared.
- Won Kyun joins YSS's fleet.
- The Chosun Navy arrives at Kyonnaeryang Strait. - YSS requests the joint offensive on land and on sea against the Japanese in Ungpo (aka Ungchon) to Yu Sung-Ryong, to Kwon Yul and to the royal court.
- The 6th Maritime Operation continues until 20 May, but the Chosun Navy confronts the Japanese without battle acts.
- Nabeshima's troops arrive in Busan in the last place of the Japanese army. - Konishi Yukinaga returns to Japan.
- Toyotomi Hideyoshi orders to attack Chinju(=Jinju) Castle. - YSS moves fleet to Koje.
- A truce conference between Ming and Japan in Nagoya.
- YSS moves his fleet to the entrance of Chilchonryang in front of Koje Island and meets Yang Pu, a Ming officer.