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Post by CindyMenard on Dec 4, 2004 17:17:22 GMT -5
Why would certain person consider Soon shin the son of the traitor because of his name? I didn't watch that part in the series?
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Post by ID on Dec 4, 2004 19:19:08 GMT -5
when did you start watching? just asking, because if you missed the first four episodes, then you missed some of the best action and special effects in any show. ever. {the first episodes started when Soon Shin was already an admiral. you should read VIB's summaries for what you missed}
anyway, Yi Soon Shin's grandfather, was a court official, who was like Cho Kwang Jo, and others, who took part in reforming the country. when a new king came in, however, all of these great men, were killed. Yi Soon Shin's grandfather was forced to drink poisoned wine, as his son {and Yi Soon Shin's father}was forced to watch. Therefore, the entire clan was forced to bear a mark of treason.
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Post by JP Paulus on Dec 4, 2004 22:17:31 GMT -5
when did you start watching? just asking, because if you missed the first four episodes, then you missed some of the best action and special effects in any show. ever. {the first episodes started when Soon Shin was already an admiral. you should read VIB's summaries for what you missed} anyway, Yi Soon Shin's grandfather, was a court official, who was like Cho Kwang Jo, and others, who took part in reforming the country. when a new king came in, however, all of these great men, were killed. Yi Soon Shin's grandfather was forced to drink poisoned wine, as his son {and Yi Soon Shin's father}was forced to watch. Therefore, the entire clan was forced to bear a mark of treason. Umm..actually to clarify...there was a king, a really bad & crazy king, Yeon-san'gun. He was removed from office and replaced by King Chungjong (1506-1544), who, in several instances was weak. His first wife was removed, due to purely political scheming (she represented the old regime, even though the king & her loved each other). Cho Kwang Jo was a reformer who started to gain followers, but was also removed due to political scheming. (He was executed in 1519)
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Post by skinz on Dec 5, 2004 14:16:32 GMT -5
So Cho Kwang Jo was a man who wanted the old regime back?
For example, he would be a man who supported Ui Jong regime in AOW instead of the new Myong/Warrior regime?
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Post by ID on Dec 5, 2004 14:45:58 GMT -5
no, from what I understand, he wanted to reform the government. not bring back the man that ruined it.
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Post by JP Paulus on Dec 5, 2004 22:43:25 GMT -5
So Cho Kwang Jo was a man who wanted the old regime back? For example, he would be a man who supported Ui Jong regime in AOW instead of the new Myong/Warrior regime? No...Cho Kwang Jo was a reformer (if i remember the detaisl right), focusing on trying to change the system so that class & pedigree would NOT be the factor in achieving power, but rather skill & education. The king who was installed...his particular problem (or the first one, anyway), was that his wife was related to on those associate dwith King Yeon-san's rule...so in those court officials' minds (Cho Kwang Jo was NOT one of those people), the 1st Empress had to go.
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Post by kinoeugene on Dec 6, 2004 18:37:58 GMT -5
wow.....jp...you are so well-informed about korean history....so impressive.....wow......
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Post by KyungDaeDoo on Dec 6, 2004 21:14:31 GMT -5
So, it is unfair to say that Yi Soon Shin's grandfather was a traitor?
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Post by ID on Dec 7, 2004 9:18:28 GMT -5
So, it is unfair to say that Yi Soon Shin's grandfather was a traitor? To our perspective, no. But to the corrupted officials of that time, yes. It's obvious that anyone can use it as an excuse. The magistrate, who wanted his idiot son, to pass the exam, and at the same time, was angry at Yi Soon Shin's father, who held him by the neck, in front of his own men, threatening him about forcing his son to be a test proxy. Same goes for General Bang's students, who were jealous that they had to work hard to get into the academy, and Yi Soon Shin, was not only volunteered to join by the master, but he refused twice before excepting.
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Post by JP Paulus on Dec 7, 2004 23:05:49 GMT -5
wow.....jp...you are so well-informed about korean history....so impressive.....wow...... Almost 10 years of these dramas will do that to ya! ;D (WOW! That's hundred's of episodes! Is it egotistical to say i'm amazing myself right now? )
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Post by JP Paulus on Dec 7, 2004 23:07:23 GMT -5
To our perspective, no. But to the corrupted officials of that time, yes. It's obvious that anyone can use it as an excuse. The magistrate, who wanted his idiot son, to pass the exam, and at the same time, was angry at Yi Soon Shin's father, who held him by the neck, in front of his own men, threatening him about forcing his son to be a test proxy. Same goes for General Bang's students, who were jealous that they had to work hard to get into the academy, and Yi Soon Shin, was not only volunteered to join by the master, but he refused twice before excepting. ID, you totally hit it on the head....and if these dramas are anywhere close to real life, then this same type of behavior CONSTANTLY happens in Korean History, which might be the reason why they didn't become a power like Japan (at least, not until recently)
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Post by ID on Dec 8, 2004 14:54:08 GMT -5
ID, you totally hit it on the head....and if these dramas are anywhere close to real life, then this same type of behavior CONSTANTLY happens in Korean History, which might be the reason why they didn't become a power like Japan (at least, not until recently) also, don't forget that Japan was seen as a powerful nation. Korea was seen as China's underling. Also, Japan, was ruled by intelligent military leaders,while the Chosun government was run by corrupted men who disregard honor,and modesty.
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Post by skinz on Dec 8, 2004 16:43:16 GMT -5
Japan, was ruled by intelligent military leaders,while Korea was run by greedy officials, and corrupted advisors. Why do I fell like someone is gonna be offended by that remark? Be ready to stand your ground, ID.
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Post by ID on Dec 8, 2004 17:42:51 GMT -5
Why do I fell like someone is gonna be offended by that remark? Be ready to stand your ground, ID. sweet Jesus/Hashem/Allah/Buddha/Shiva! if someone is going to be offended by a comment on 16th century Korea, then by all means, let them.
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Post by generaldu on Dec 8, 2004 17:44:37 GMT -5
Japan's rapid industrialization and rise to power in the Asian sphere was assisted by Great Britain, the United States and (later) Germany in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century in accordance with their own global policy objectives.
If Korea had been the benificiary of such assistance things might have been somewhat different.
Japan's rapid industrialization is unique in the world though. They nearly surpassed their "teachers" and were it not for the military code breakers and the caginess and heroism of the U.S. Navy at Coral Sea and Midway we'd all be playing to a different script right now.
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