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Post by ID on Nov 4, 2004 20:30:15 GMT -5
this is the only bad flaw with the show. it feels out of place. chinese actors should play chinese characters, and more importantly, japanese actors should play the samurai characters. it doesn't feel right, when these guys are dressed like samurai, but they speak korean. even worse, the choice to use koreana ctors is bad, because there are big physical differences between korean dudes and japanese dudes. most noticable is the eyes. koreans have bigger eyes than japanese, and it is obvious everytime they show a japanese character. most irritating, is this Yoshira. is this a joke? he doesn't look japanese at all.
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Post by Eowyn on Nov 5, 2004 9:38:13 GMT -5
ID, just think about when some American movies are made about a foreign history - everyone speaks mostly English. It's kind of like that, I would think. Like in the WWII film Enemies At The Gate: the German was played by an American actor, the Russian by an English actor and they all spoke English.
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Post by IAPD3000 on Nov 5, 2004 11:55:01 GMT -5
I saw the first two episodes of YSS and it's good. The warriors were brutal in that series. The war however was not fair because the Japanese had guns instead of arrows. The Choson-Ming still have arrows and swords, but all of them got cannons. It's was brutal!
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Post by skinz on Nov 5, 2004 12:32:02 GMT -5
this is the only bad flaw with the show. it feels out of place. chinese actors should play chinese characters, and more importantly, japanese actors should play the samurai characters. it doesn't feel right, when these guys are dressed like samurai, but they speak korean. even worse, the choice to use koreana ctors is bad, because there are big physical differences between korean dudes and japanese dudes. most noticable is the eyes. koreans have bigger eyes than japanese, and it is obvious everytime they show a japanese character. most irritating, is this Yoshira. is this a joke? he doesn't look japanese at all. That Yoshira actor is just bad IMO. That guy is always screaming and saying "YI SOON SHIN!!!" a little too much. And when he was screaming Yi name and got thrown off the boat, the acting was dreadful. The other japanese character looks way better. I think its wakatashi or something. IMO, they shouldn't have made yoshira be so stupid. It just makes Yi soon shin look like he's there with a total idiot. If they had made them smart and dignify, Yi soon shin would've stood out more since he beat a tough opponent for his country while the government wasn't backing him up.
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Post by generaldu on Nov 5, 2004 14:05:25 GMT -5
The scene where the Admiral is confronting Konishi's ship, why aren't the Admiral and the crew taking cover!? The japanese were shooting at them with muskets and cannons and they all were all still standing in clear view! . While the rest of your critique is quite accurate, even in modern warfare it was customary for naval officers (including fleet and squadron commanders) to work from exposed and/or unprotected positions. Three vivid examples come to mind. In 1805 Britain's Lord Admiral Nelson was shot dead by a sniper on the deck of his flagship during his great victory at Trafalgar. In 1864 America's 63 year old Admiral Farragut was lashed to the rigging of his flagship at The Battle of Mobile Bay. In 1939 Britain's Captain F.S. Bell of HMS Exeter jury-rigged the command of his ship from various unprotected positions as it was shot up by the 11" guns of the German pocket battleship Graf Spee at The Battle of The River Plate. War is such a horrendous and surreal thing it is always difficult, when watching a dramatization, to separate what is accurate from what is false. It is the job of the director, however, to maintain the "feeling" of reality so if we're sitting there having doubts, he or she has to some degree failed.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 5, 2004 19:30:06 GMT -5
this is the only bad flaw with the show. it feels out of place. chinese actors should play chinese characters, and more importantly, japanese actors should play the samurai characters. it doesn't feel right, when these guys are dressed like samurai, but they speak korean. even worse, the choice to use koreana ctors is bad, because there are big physical differences between korean dudes and japanese dudes. most noticable is the eyes. koreans have bigger eyes than japanese, and it is obvious everytime they show a japanese character. most irritating, is this Yoshira. is this a joke? he doesn't look japanese at all. ID, i know what you mean about wanting the nationalities of the characters to match the nationalities of the actors, but on a practical level, let's face it, the subtitling would be horrendous, and not only that, we'd have to repeat everything through translators meaning that a lot of the action would get slowed down and the show would probably become too aggravating for koreans to watch (and let's face it, they were the target audience) for lack of a better way to do things, they went with all korean actors. but i take it with a grain of salt so that the show is just as enjoyable for me i have a bigger problem with the liberties taken with history
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 5, 2004 19:31:56 GMT -5
That Yoshira actor is just bad IMO. That guy is always screaming and saying "YI SOON SHIN!!!" a little too much. And when he was screaming Yi name and got thrown off the boat, the acting was dreadful. The other japanese character looks way better. I think its wakatashi or something. his name is not yoshida - that is the little bald dude who is the sneaky weasle who does all his dirty work his name is konishi yukinaga and the other guy is named wakizaka yasuharu (the one with the scar)
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Post by skinz on Nov 5, 2004 22:18:35 GMT -5
Oops!! Thanks for correcting me. I should've watch my tape before I posted.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 5, 2004 22:45:01 GMT -5
well, i understand completely i mean, it's not like you can read the korean captions when they appear
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Post by MasterCrabby on Nov 6, 2004 10:30:15 GMT -5
The utilization of an all-Korean cast is fine with me. It does seem that there is a tendency to play the non-Korean roles with an air of semi-rationality and eccentricity, but I like that. Historically, this may be troubling on some level to other viewers, but it adds to the enjoyment of my watching, since it is heavy material. Someone posted of Ming guys recalling Laurel & Hardy. The next episode, I couldn't stop seeing them like that. "Now look what you've done. Why can't you bee more careful?". "I'm sorry Ollie". Most movies with Roman men have them portrayed with British accents, even when the actors are American, while the Roman women have American accents. Just once, I'd like to see Romans done with accents like Chico Marx. "Hey, whaddaya gonna do, stabba me ina the back?". The worst was in old cowboy and indian films, where the Indians were usually played by men of Italian descent and were gifted with lines like: "You me speakum teepee. Squaw bringum peacepipe."
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Post by ID on Nov 6, 2004 11:50:45 GMT -5
Well, in the "Passion Of The Christ", They were able to talk entirely in Aramaic. So why can't Romans talk in Latin? They teach that in high school.
Anyway, back on topic.
I understand now. But, still, I would've liked it better if they used Chinese and Japanese actors as well. But, this, I guess is too much to ask.
You know, this reminds me of a really old American movie, about Genghis Khan. and it had John Wayne or some dude playing Genghis, with an american accent! I was laughing so hard. I believe it was on AMC or something.
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Post by TifosoDiCorea on Nov 6, 2004 18:53:37 GMT -5
there are big physical differences between korean dudes and japanese dudes. most noticable is the eyes. koreans have bigger eyes than japanese, and it is obvious everytime they show a japanese character. Oh come on! Koreans can play Chinese and Japanese characters just as well. If the characterizations doesnt ring true, blame the writers and the acting, don't fault their physicality. There are not that much of a "physical difference" between Korean and Japanese or Chinese eyes if there is such a thing. From what I read, Japanese, Koreans and Chinese are descended from the same racial group originating in north mongolia and Siberia. There is no way you can make a generalization on appearance of a particular nationality when dealing with members of the same "racial" group. Let's use Europe for example. Can a Englishman play a German officer? Can a Frenchman play a Roman soldier? Absolutely. I dont see why the same logic cannot be applied to Asia.
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Post by MasterCrabby on Nov 6, 2004 20:36:26 GMT -5
TDC, although I principally agree, your analogy of Germans and Englishmen is not to the point. If you said Frenchmen, Englishmen, and Norwegians, the comparison would be closer, don't you think? ID Jeevus, as you would say, some of that was funny stuff. Back on topic Ummmph Ummm. (twiddles tie).
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Post by ID on Nov 7, 2004 10:22:51 GMT -5
Oh come on! Koreans can play Chinese and Japanese characters just as well. If the characterizations doesnt ring true, blame the writers and the acting, don't fault their physicality. There are not that much of a "physical difference" between Korean and Japanese or Chinese eyes if there is such a thing. From what I read, Japanese, Koreans and Chinese are descended from the same racial group originating in north mongolia and Siberia. There is no way you can make a generalization on appearance of a particular nationality when dealing with members of the same "racial" group. Let's use Europe for example. Can a Englishman play a German officer? Can a Frenchman play a Roman soldier? Absolutely. I dont see why the same logic cannot be applied to Asia. My comment wasn't meant as an insult. What I meant, was, {I hope I can say this without insulting anyone}, that, after meeting many Japanese people, and Korean people, I have made a judgement, which is that korean's have larger eyes. now, i could be wrong. but this is what i got from previous experiences. one of my biggest problems with this show, though it is a great show, is that in the early episodes, it was difficult to tell if a character is meant to be chinese or korean. but i will get used to that.
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Post by luvarchfiend on Nov 7, 2004 14:04:17 GMT -5
My comment wasn't meant as an insult. What I meant, was, {I hope I can say this without insulting anyone}, that, after meeting many Japanese people, and Korean people, I have made a judgement, which is that korean's have larger eyes. now, i could be wrong. but this is what i got from previous experiences. one of my biggest problems with this show, though it is a great show, is that in the early episodes, it was difficult to tell if a character is meant to be chinese or korean. but i will get used to that. ID, this eyebrow description is from one of VIB's posts on another thread....it helped me determine who was chosun, ming and japanese until i became more familiar with the characters. i find that young nam is an exception here because he has very bushy eyebrows. ;D
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