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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 11:16:47 GMT -5
Post by ajk on Jun 26, 2012 11:16:47 GMT -5
Hi, indy--thanks for joining us. Someday we may do an "official" viewing of Jumong here. I haven't seen it yet, and am curious to see it just because it goes so far back in history. There are a couple of other historicals that are high on the collective wantlist but Jumong would probably be #3.
That isn't good news about the subtitles. There are strange issues with some of the subtitles at DF. If you watch Queen Seonduk as a non-member, with the ads, you get the official network subtitles, but if you pay to join DF and watch as a member, you get fansubs instead. Seems to me they should have official subs for everybody--especially the paying members. Haven't gotten to the bottom of this yet but I will. Are their Jumong subs weak enough that you wouldn't recommend watching it on DF?
Anyway, welcome and I hope you find it interesting here. If you like, you can jump in on QSD and watch it along with us. We're only up to Episode 13, so catching up wouldn't be too difficult.
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 12:18:35 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Jun 26, 2012 12:18:35 GMT -5
....The actor who played the Prime Minister is great. I've seen him in a number of dramas (Emperor the the Sea, Sungkyunkwan Scandal, etc) .... So, indynoona, have you seen Yi San? It's on Drama Fever. Lee Jae-yong plays another great character (but only shows up around halfway in), Noron leader Jang Tae-woo. I love that guy. When I see him in modern dress, I can't even process it. LOL. Bo PS when you see orange text like that here, it's usually a link to something.
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 12:26:40 GMT -5
Post by sageuk on Jun 26, 2012 12:26:40 GMT -5
THe snake man is great. Tha's my nickname for him. Snake Man
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shiku
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 15:46:01 GMT -5
Post by shiku on Jun 26, 2012 15:46:01 GMT -5
"Are their Jumong subs weak enough that you wouldn't recommend watching it on DF?"
I would recommend watching it in other sources like my soju as DF cut a lot of scenes (eps ~50) and they use MBC network subs (which had a lot of a number of missing subs).
Long live the snake man.
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 20:20:28 GMT -5
Post by MTR on Jun 26, 2012 20:20:28 GMT -5
Not to be a spoil sport but i thought Kingdom Of The Winds was much superior . (1)Better Story (2)Better cast (3) Better musical score (4)It was shorter . As with so many dramas Jumong took so long setting everything up it became really tedious in the middle and after all that it left so much unresolved ,sure KOTW addressed most of the unresolved stuff but a fan of the dramas had to wait almost 3 years (2 years and than some ) between the dramas than KOTW ends and SBS picks up the finale part of the Trilogy and decides to ignore all that happened before pretty much it just did not gel with the other two (Ja Myung Go i mean ) while not bad you had to put aside all that had gone before .
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 20:26:22 GMT -5
Post by shiku on Jun 26, 2012 20:26:22 GMT -5
@dyc you really think it had a better cast? With the wooden Dojin and wooden leading lady?
It also had editing issues.
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 20:34:01 GMT -5
Post by truth on Jun 26, 2012 20:34:01 GMT -5
I didn't watch KOTW, but I thought Jumong was horrible.
1. World of Warcraft armors
2. Han Chinese wearing European Knight armors
3. Goguryo soldiers dressed like the Roman Praetorian Guard
4. Jumong claiming half of Chinese mainland used to belong to Old Joseon(Fantasy from Hwandan Gogi)
5. Buyeo King getting scared of a mere mayor of the Han Chinese(seriously, wtf?)
6. 10,000 army in speech, but 13 men on screen lol
7. Jumong flying like a Superman
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 22:01:14 GMT -5
Post by shiku on Jun 26, 2012 22:01:14 GMT -5
I didn't watch KOTW, but I thought Jumong was horrible. 1. World of Warcraft armors 2. Han Chinese wearing European Knight armors 3. Goguryo soldiers dressed like the Roman Praetorian Guard 4. Jumong claiming half of Chinese mainland used to belong to Old Joseon(Fantasy from Hwandan Gogi) 5. Buyeo King getting scared of a mere mayor of the Han Chinese(seriously, wtf?) 6. 10,000 army in speech, but 13 men on screen lol 7. Jumong flying like a Superman 1. I give you that but very few sagueks (except King Geunchogo) had appropriate armors. 2. True but something you overlook 3. True but something you overlook 4. Old Joseon records are lost so I don't know if its right/wrong 5. True but he has the mighty power of the Han empire behind him 6. Like all sagueks, not enough people/soldiers so you overlook it 7. I give you that. (I was like when it happened)
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 22:41:51 GMT -5
Post by truth on Jun 26, 2012 22:41:51 GMT -5
I didn't watch KOTW, but I thought Jumong was horrible. 1. World of Warcraft armors 2. Han Chinese wearing European Knight armors 3. Goguryo soldiers dressed like the Roman Praetorian Guard 4. Jumong claiming half of Chinese mainland used to belong to Old Joseon(Fantasy from Hwandan Gogi) 5. Buyeo King getting scared of a mere mayor of the Han Chinese(seriously, wtf?) 6. 10,000 army in speech, but 13 men on screen lol 7. Jumong flying like a Superman 1. I give you that but very few sagueks (except King Geunchogo) had appropriate armors. 2. True but something you overlook 3. True but something you overlook 4. Old Joseon records are lost so I don't know if its right/wrong 5. True but he has the mighty power of the Han empire behind him 6. Like all sagueks, not enough people/soldiers so you overlook it 7. I give you that. (I was like when it happened) 1. It is a BIG problem. I don't know how those in the West think about it, but Chinese and Japanese make fun of those fantasy armors and say Korea has no history. Chinese and Japanese historicals barely ever have fantasy armors. 2. It is not overlooking. It would be equal to Orlando Bloom wearing Samurai armor in Kingdom of Heaven 3. It is not overlooking. It would be equal to Orlando Bloom wearing King Geunchogo armor in Troy 4. Old Joseon records are lost, but there are Chinese records about the territories of Old Joseon. Chinese mainland was also in Warring States and Chin Dynasty period while Korea was Old Joseon. Chinese viewers watched Jumong and thought that's actually what they teach in Korean textbooks(which is false. Korea does not teach fantasy like that). Stuff like Jumong's claim in the drama had created stereotypes in China and Taiwan about Koreans claiming everything is Korean and Korea conquered the world. I actually had a Chinese guy ask me why Koreans claim everything is Korean a year after Jumong was over. I was like wtf? 5. Buyeo was pretty strong kingdom and it did not fear a mere mayor. Chinese feared invasions from Buyeo and other groups outside China, which is why they built the Great Walls. In addition, the Chinese emperor didn't have big influence on areas near Buyeo, which made the foundation of Goguryeo possible. 6. No, not all sageuks. Just MBC Sageuks. You wouldn't say all sageuks after watching Emperor Wang Guhn, Emperor of the Sea, Immortal Yi Soon Shin, Dae Jo Young, and some of Iron Empress. Korean comedy sites always compare Dae Jo Young and Jumong war scenes to make fun of Jumong.
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 23:30:31 GMT -5
Post by shiku on Jun 26, 2012 23:30:31 GMT -5
1. There is nothing I can say about viewers who take everything they see in a fantasy historical drama at face value. One would think they would develop critical thinking skills and be able to do their own research. Just because they say Korea has no history doesn't mean it doesn't.
2. & 3. Well the drama is touted as a fantasy historical which in my head (and I assume others) means it's not a documentary so I don't expect the armor to be 100% accurate. It would be good if it were but what are the chances of that? If you are only given a set budget there are some things that fall on the way-side although they should have some priority. I meant to say as a viewer, one can choose to overlook this things as all dramas have flaws.
4. You can't really change what people think of if they believe something at face value without analysing it. It's kinda funny the Chinese guy asked you that when recently China has been claiming alot of land which wasn't theirs originally like the China Sea.
5. I give you that ( I understand what they did for the sake of the story)
6. I still stand by what I said. I watched all those shows except DJY and I find the number of soldiers to be less than what they say in the dialogue. This also makes sense as shows do not have unlimited budgets in order to higher tens of thousands of extras and the extra manpower to shoot them.
I don't mean to offend or overstep my boundaries but am just posting what I think.
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Jumong
Jun 26, 2012 23:45:11 GMT -5
Post by truth on Jun 26, 2012 23:45:11 GMT -5
1. There is nothing I can say about viewers who take everything they see in a fantasy historical drama at face value. One would think they would develop critical thinking skills and be able to do their own research. Just because they say Korea has no history doesn't mean it doesn't. 2. & 3. Well the drama is touted as a fantasy historical which in my head (and I assume others) means it's not a documentary so I don't expect the armor to be 100% accurate. It would be good if it were but what are the chances of that? If you are only given a set budget there are some things that fall on the way-side although they should have some priority. I meant to say as a viewer, one can choose to overlook this things as all dramas have flaws. 4. You can't really change what people think of if they believe something at face value without analysing it. It's kinda funny the Chinese guy asked you that when recently China has been claiming alot of land which wasn't theirs originally like the China Sea. 5. I give you that ( I understand what they did for the sake of the story) 6. I still stand by what I said. I watched all those shows except DJY and I find the number of soldiers to be less than what they say in the dialogue. This also makes sense as shows do not have unlimited budgets in order to higher tens of thousands of extras and the extra manpower to shoot them. I don't mean to offend or overstep my boundaries but am just posting what I think. 1. Problem is MBC did not say that Jumong was fantasy. It claimed that Jumong was a historical. A lot of kids watch the dramas and think that what they see in the drama is true. 2&3. They actually had a lot of budget in the beginning and they spent all of that on fantasy armors. 4. Which is why Jumong's claim of Old Joseon conquering half of Chinese mainland should not have been done. Yes, I agree with you about Chinese claiming things that weren't theirs like Old Joseon, Goguryeo, Buyeo, Balhae. 6. They may be less, but they didn't have 13 men on screen like Jumong. There is no need for extra manpower. CGI can take care of everything. In DJY's case, the CGI was done by the Lord of the Rings team. Emperor Wang Guhn had a lot of extra manpower though. In Korea, KBS=War Sageuks because they never have 13 men on screen like MBC. I don't think you're trying to offend me and I'm not trying to offend you, either. I'm just posting what I think as well, which is why I said "I thought Jumong was horrible" rather than just saying "Jumong was horrible."
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Jumong
Jun 27, 2012 0:04:58 GMT -5
Post by truth on Jun 27, 2012 0:04:58 GMT -5
Here's the difference between DJY and Jumong. Pic 1&2 : Dae Jo Young Pic 3 : Jumong I've also posted pictures of war scenes from the upcoming KBS historical The Dream of the Great King. They are planning to add CGI later.
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Jumong
Jun 27, 2012 0:21:59 GMT -5
Post by excelsior on Jun 27, 2012 0:21:59 GMT -5
As frustrating as DJY can be sometimes, you gotta hand it to them for the battle scenes. Best I've seen in Korean historical. I was hoping Gwanggaeto would match or top them, it didn't even come close.
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Jumong
Jun 27, 2012 2:22:29 GMT -5
Post by MTR on Jun 27, 2012 2:22:29 GMT -5
I agree on DJY they really had some great battle scenes ,most of the drama i enjoyed well maybe half all the drooling over Chulin got a bit much as well as the whole middle section .
still think KOTW was better for a start it claimed to be fantasy rather than say MBC who bragged they were producing a realistic look at Jumong .
Yes i agree Dojin and whatever her name was could have been better and despite being a fantasy it still kept certain Historical events and characters in the right place . My only gripe was they did not show enough of Muhyool as King but boy did they pile on the tragedy it was actually pretty grim that's why i liked it .
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Jumong
Jun 27, 2012 2:43:01 GMT -5
Post by sageuk on Jun 27, 2012 2:43:01 GMT -5
^Just shows that they didn't care
Regarding the stuff about trying to portray Jumong in a realistic light, I actually liked the idea. Trying to speculate what the story was like without the supernatural elements like the gods and all was pretty interesting. Of course you have these sorceresses who are practically plot devices, though you have to remember that people were superstitious back then. For the most part, I thought the liberties they took were clever, like Jumong's biological parents not being deities and such. In the end, yeah, it just becomes a fantasy anyway: rebel group fighting against an evil empire blah blah blah
For some reason I could never get in to Kingdom of the WInds. 13 episodes and I stopped
And hey, don't forget the naval battle scenes of IYSS. Those were a blast. ;D
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