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Post by Lucy on Mar 1, 2005 14:29:03 GMT -5
You know, though, what I think was going through his mind was that it might actually be better and easier for Hee-soo if she made a show of giving in a little. That is, he's mostly worried about her behavior making things worse for her than if she just did a little bit of what they said. I don't think that would work, however, because they (ESM and DD) are bound and determined to find flaws in everything she says, does, and thinks.
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Post by galacticchick on Mar 1, 2005 14:35:00 GMT -5
I think was going through his mind was that it might actually be better and easier for Hee-soo if she made a show of giving in a little. That's true, but his advice might have been more effective if he fully explained himself instead of just telling her "go into the kitchen and help her." That is, he's mostly worried about her behavior making things worse for her than if she just did a little bit of what they said. I don't think that would work, however, because they (ESM and DD) are bound and determined to find flaws in everything she says, does, and thinks. Hesoo's giving in a little would probably work if she was dealing w/reasonable, sensible people. Not so if she's competing against someone who's plotting to take over the world and her Apey mascot.
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Post by Lovely on Mar 1, 2005 15:15:16 GMT -5
Wtf? If you care so much about family peace and about ESM getting dinner ready on time get your a$$ into the kitchen. Amen to that! I was really happy when HS just came out and told ESM directly, "Why did you make Father hate me?" It's totally true. HS and DD had a wonderful relationship before. It was so nice. He would call her sweetheart lovingly and laugh when he heard her tell him that she was known as Rainbow fox. Bring ESM into the mix and DD is scolding HS constantly.
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Post by Lucy on Mar 1, 2005 15:31:15 GMT -5
Uh-uh, wouldn't work. They want Hee-soo to do it. If JK did it--which he wouldn't, because when on the Korean soaps have you ever seen a man work in the kitchen?--it would make things worse. They would just blame Hee-soo even more and say that she has him wrapped around her finger.
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Post by Lovely on Mar 1, 2005 15:35:50 GMT -5
ESM did say to HS that HS wanted everything to be under her thumb. But HS shot back, "Do you just expect me to agree with everything you say and do?" It seems to me like ESM is the one that wants everything under her thumb.
What ESM wants: HS doing all the housework and keeping her mouth shut; DD being clueless and mean to HS as well as taking ESM and Jin-soo out golfing and eating; Jin-kook working hard at the office and giving all the money to ESM and DD so they can go out golfing some more.
What HS wants: More respect from Jin-kook; some freedom in her life away from housework; the affection of her in-laws, loving her for who she is and not treating her like a slave; ESM to stop being such a manipulative b*tch and vacuum the house for once in her life.
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Post by galacticchick on Mar 1, 2005 17:44:00 GMT -5
Uh-uh, wouldn't work. They want Hee-soo to do it. If JK did it--which he wouldn't, because when on the Korean soaps have you ever seen a man work in the kitchen?--it would make things worse. They would just blame Hee-soo even more and say that she has him wrapped around her finger. I know, I know, but I’d still pay $6 to see that happen. Jung-ae wasn’t kidding when she said that Jihae lucked out in the inlaw department.
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Post by sandy on Mar 2, 2005 0:08:14 GMT -5
I think Hee-Soo should deserve some love and respect as being pregnant. Being married to Jin-Kook hasn't been easy. In the beginning, she married a sullen, immature, unemployed man who she tried to understand. With ESM gone, she took care of DD when he was in the hospital after realizing that his wife took off. HS took care of Jin-Soo, even getting him to take art lessons with her uncle. Then, she took pity on ESM who missed JS, her son, to bring her back home. It was a constant struggle on HS's part.
Now that ESM is back home living happily with DD and JS, HS deserves attention as a pregnant woman whose child will be related to them. JK is foolish because he has a very good woman who will give more than she receives. HS isn't appreciated or made to feel special.
ESM is manipulative and self-centered because she wants to be the center of attention. She has no interest in HS's baby to be. She just wants HS to serve the family to make it easier for her to enjoy life.
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Post by BAE on Mar 2, 2005 20:08:49 GMT -5
it was really nice of sungae not to add fuel to the fire and make matters worse betweem ESM and hee. Although i don't entirely agree on the whole "i should feel sorry for young-sil instread of you.." issue. that's just plain stupid. obviously, both of them are stuck in this situation and not just one person... ps: does it annoy anyone else when sung-ae goes around and tries to tell her family problems to her co-workers? i mean, there's a line that needs to be drawn. it's good to ask people their opinions, but you know, if it was me instead of hee, i would be pissed. sung-ae talks about her husband being a good-for-nothing. and her daughter's problems and her sister's rad behavior, although they can tell that for themselves... but it's just so frustrating.
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Post by Lucy on Mar 3, 2005 11:37:41 GMT -5
yes, absolutely. It's always bothered me. The woman has boundary issues--i.e., lack of them (boundaries). Is she or is she not the boss? Her co-workers (employees) shouldn't be privy to all her phone conversations and her bidness. It especially annoys me that they laugh at everything, including the problems of their clients.
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Post by hachiue on Mar 3, 2005 17:33:21 GMT -5
The laughing bugs me a lot too. I mean, who are they to laugh? They've all probably got exactly the same type of problems at home as these people - we haven't seen proof of this with the coworkers, but Sungae sure does have those sorts of problems.
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Post by toranaga on Mar 4, 2005 9:31:44 GMT -5
HOPEFULLY we are past the point where we see HEE-SOO crying every da** show;until we saw kyung ah stalking the other night we hadn't had a new plot development in probably three weeks,I mean this show is really dragging badly. AND also NAM GOONG MIN(jin-kook)is a terrible actor,he only has one facial expression for any scene whether it is a scene where he is supposed to show some sympathy for his wife when she is crying or when they are out having fun.IMO he has very little range as an actor his only appeal he has IMO is his supposed good looks which have no affect on me,even though the women of every fan board I am a member of love him.
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Post by Lucy on Mar 4, 2005 11:18:40 GMT -5
Jin-kook is adorable and his good looks definitely have an effect on me. I agree, Toranaga, that he seems to be limited as an actor. In the past, this has worked for his character. Through most of the show's beginning phases, he was supposed to be in a lot of pain, and I felt that whatever emotions the character might have felt inside had to be suppressed because he had learned that expressing himself either got him nowhere or worked against him. Also, he had no faith that anyone did or could love him, so he was sort of a zombie in relating to others. The one thing I liked that the actor did at that stage was how he looked off to the side, almost like an eye-roll, before he answered whenever someone spoke to him. It gave an impression of someone who had to look around cautiously and "check" around him before answering, as if from that persecution complex he and Hee were talking about the other day. And remember when he was crying on the bed in their old house and telling Hee-soo all the mean things ESM said to him while he was growing up? that was a good scene for him.
But since he's married and with Hee-soo's instantaneous love and acceptance of him, you'd think he would have blossomed more. His character does do and say nice things to Hee sometimes, but his body language has not changed and he is still stiff. What seemed like dramatic restraint before now looks like, in fact, a lack of actorly resources. Poor Jin. So cute, with not a whole lot to back it up. But he could still come through; maybe they'll give him a big scene to work with.
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Post by panther on Mar 4, 2005 17:15:48 GMT -5
The laughing bugs me a lot too. I mean, who are they to laugh? They've all probably got exactly the same type of problems at home as these people - we haven't seen proof of this with the coworkers, but Sungae sure does have those sorts of problems. the laughing makes me laugh, its so ridiculous. sungae: i hate my life coworkers: (lauging and pointing) yea you suck! buy us dinner. i wish i worked in such a fun environment
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Post by Lucyunlogged on Mar 4, 2005 17:21:17 GMT -5
the laughing makes me laugh, its so ridiculous. sungae: i hate my life coworkers: (lauging and pointing) yea you suck! buy us dinner. Perfect! ;D
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Post by panther on Mar 4, 2005 17:22:40 GMT -5
oh and about jin-kook. i saw this same actor in an episode of drama city and he was really good in that. i think this is just the way he's decideing to play jin kook. remember he's been emotionally shut off all of his life. being married for only a year or so is not going to change his introverted behavior. besides having a good wife, this man needs therepy, and lots of it.
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