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Post by tinkerbell on Jan 30, 2008 17:10:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the links 7S, but the third one didn't work for me.
I agree with you on Kyung Dae Sung. He was the only one who stuck to the cause and didn't let power corrupt him. Tragically look where it got him, an untimely death. I wouldn't have it any other way though, he was the one I admired most along with General Du. Both had integrity and strength of character. I just love men like that. It definitely takes more strength to be a man of honor. Wouldn't you just love to watch it again?
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Post by seven stars on Jan 31, 2008 8:19:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the links 7S, but the third one didn't work for me. I agree with you on Kyung Dae Sung. He was the only one who stuck to the cause and didn't let power corrupt him. Tragically look where it got him, an untimely death. I wouldn't have it any other way though, he was the one I admired most along with General Du. Both had integrity and strength of character. I just love men like that. It definitely takes more strength to be a man of honor. Wouldn't you just love to watch it again? I think you're right Tinky . Choosing the honorable path is often difficult. Yet I think that on a smaller scale we face similar decisions in our every day lives. It's not always easy to take the proverbial "high road" even when making the seemingly insignificant choices in life. I wish we could see it again. It depicts a sad time of course, but the show started off so quickly with so many fun characters. I agree with you about General Du's integrity as a warrior, as well as that of Moon as a minister. However, (in my opinion) neither of them ascended to the top in terms of influence at any point in the show. That position ("top of the food chain") was held by Ui Jong, Yi Ui Bang, Chung Jung Bu, Yi Ui Min, Kyung Dae Sung and of course ultimately Choi Chung Hong.
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Post by geesehoward4ever on Jan 31, 2008 15:23:22 GMT -5
Although KDS was lauded by latter historians as being "loyal", I enjoyed the fact that they showed him being undressed by Chung Jung-Bu in his nightmare. Chung lays it all out as plain as day and makes it crystal clear that blaming him for what happened is like taking shots at the reflections that the moon makes off of water. The real source of all of these problems was/is, the Emperor sitting on the seat and that until he actually placed blame and held the man in the seat responsible, all the well-wished-good-deeds would be wasted on an inept idiot!
Bearing in mind that it was Chung Jung-Bu that put the inept idiot there, his words were still right on the money. It is a shame that Prince Dae-ryung was killed by Chung Kyun, who knows which direction Korea may have gone if Dae-Ryung ascended the throne and put Ui-Bang, Yi Ko and Che Won to good and proper use like the three of them wanted.
Regardless of who was considered traitors or heroes, the poor leadership and decline of the House of Wangs put the warriors in an impossible position. Uneducated, de-valued, malnourished, but trained to the inth-degree to be lapdogs and show ponies for a bunch of stuck-up, ungrateful, bottom-feeding, back-scratching, PUNKS!
What... isn't that today's American politician!?!? Start, AGE OF WARRIORS OPENING THEME!
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Post by tinkerbell on Feb 1, 2008 18:05:03 GMT -5
Very well said geesehoward4ever. How true indeed. There has always been corruption and poor leadership from the beginning of time and mankind doesn't seem to learn anything from history. We seem doomed to repeating the same mistakes over and over again. There is the never ending battle between good and the greedy, power hungry men and women in positions of leadership.
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Post by seven stars on Feb 4, 2008 8:27:27 GMT -5
Although KDS was lauded by latter historians as being "loyal", I enjoyed the fact that they showed him being undressed by Chung Jung-Bu in his nightmare. Chung lays it all out as plain as day and makes it crystal clear that blaming him for what happened is like taking shots at the reflections that the moon makes off of water. The real source of all of these problems was/is, the Emperor sitting on the seat and that until he actually placed blame and held the man in the seat responsible, all the well-wished-good-deeds would be wasted on an inept idiot! Bearing in mind that it was Chung Jung-Bu that put the inept idiot there, his words were still right on the money. It is a shame that Prince Dae-ryung was killed by Chung Kyun, who knows which direction Korea may have gone if Dae-Ryung ascended the throne and put Ui-Bang, Yi Ko and Che Won to good and proper use like the three of them wanted. Regardless of who was considered traitors or heroes, the poor leadership and decline of the House of Wangs put the warriors in an impossible position. Uneducated, de-valued, malnourished, but trained to the inth-degree to be lapdogs and show ponies for a bunch of stuck-up, ungrateful, bottom-feeding, back-scratching, PUNKS! What... isn't that today's American politician!?!? Start, AGE OF WARRIORS OPENING THEME! Geese, you aren't summoning the warriors for a revolution are you? It kind of sounds that way.
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Post by geesehoward4ever on Feb 8, 2008 14:58:58 GMT -5
Huh? Meee? Why I would never "ATTACCCCCCCCK!!!!!" ;D
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Post by seven stars on Feb 11, 2008 8:36:49 GMT -5
LOL, IHI.
I'd follow you anywhere General!
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Post by geesehoward4ever on Feb 12, 2008 21:08:27 GMT -5
Why thank you, Seven Stars! I am watching, not so closely, this entire situation unfolding with the Beijing Olympics and the situation in Darfur. Having been privy since high school of the situation in the Sudan and in most of North Africa, in the 1,000's of years old war between native Black's, Afro-Arabs, Arabs and the use of religion, be it Christian or Islamic, to control and manipulate many matters in Northern Africa.
The similarity of the disunity and fractured state of the Land of the Blacks, mirrors the fall and fracture of the Han Dynasty, but over a much longer and larger magnitude. I have been disappointed with the Chinese government and the fact that they have been slowly, but surely, attempting to repeat European colonialism throughout the Black continent.
The Battle of Red Cliffs, from what I have found. Is meant to be completed and then shown in late spring or mid-summer, but before the Beijing Olympics starts. Many ironies, and unfortunately I have no time to expand on them... for now...
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Post by seven stars on Feb 14, 2008 10:19:04 GMT -5
Geese,
I agree that this is only one extension of the unofficial ongoing war to control African wealth.
I also have to agree with your dissappointment in the approach being taken toward Darfur. Having said that, I think your statement about colonialism is a little strong. It seems to me that the Chinese government is simply making every attempt to leverage their economic position if Africa which is no different than their approach in any other part of the world. That's just old fashioned Chinese business, for better or worse.
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Post by geesehoward4ever on Mar 7, 2008 21:46:10 GMT -5
I am sorry for my long delay Seven Star, I am on Chapter 11 of Lady Yoma and find myself writing on a pretty good clip, excuses aside though, hmmm...
Good old fashion colonialism/Imperialism falls directly into the statement you made, as far as business as usual and the Chinese being Chinese. Everyone, everywhere, attempts to cover their tracks by deflection and diversion and the Chinese are no different. The truth can be harsh, but it is better to tell the truth than try to believe a lie. The Chinese are experiencing more and more acts of violence being committed against them and their people, from Nigeria to Sudan, as more and more Blacks refuse to follow the very same pattern that has reduced them to the state that they are in now. And I wonder, should I call them Sub-Saharan Blacks or North African Afro-Arabs or Arab-Africans or Non-Indigenous people of Africa or house invaders who never left and now try to claim that they did everything while they can't answer a single question about how anything got there, or was done!?!??
And that within itself is a whole nother issue that still gets waterboarded to the wayside. People claiming to be Egyptian, but need outsiders to finance the "discovery" of their own heritage. HA-HA-HA-HA, AHEM! Sub-Saharan, sick sense of humor some people have. But either way, when you look at the wiki for Somalia, and if you have any prior books or information. You'll find that the reason this country flew apart was because it was already underneath the iron thumb of a Black Dictator, whose name I will not type because he may appear here next to my desk and demand my soul for summoning him. Said Evil Black Dictator then decided that ruling unjustly wasn't enough, ohhhh no! No-no-no! He decided that it would be a great idea to stuff his friends and families pockets even more, if he sold the country down the river to foreign, mostly American, oil companies.
That, ironically, was the last straw. Everyone saw it for what it was, yet another Black ruler, leader, whatever! Selling Black people down the river for money and favors from well-established and well-entrenched, White companies and wealthy people. Be they European or American or Canadian or anything else, somehow, someway, they as the people in that land, end up in things that just ain't right and even worse than the crud they're already in! And why, because the people who own these corporations DON'T LIVE THERE, but have now gained leverage to dictate terms and influence how things are done on all levels of their country due to their absolute control over local, national and state economy and industry... wow... that sounds familiar... The Chinese have done a sloppy job of imitating this pattern and they are starting to get more and more violent responses from local Blacks who would rather kill than allow ANOTHER outsider to prop up more local despots while claiming its for the benefit of anything other than their pockets! This same process is why we have encountered active resistance in Iraq. The British did this same con-job on the Iraqi people and they installed the Sunni minority as the principle power holders in Iraq, while getting all kinds of incentives on the oil there and whatever else they could grab.
The primary reason that I found, on how the Sunni Minority could fight within itself so much, yet still hold off the Shia, was because the British has military bases there with aircraft, which in a sick irony, was more than enough to hold off the various rebellions that broke out due to British occupation and rule, never mind the fact that they even stuck a ruler in there that wasn't even Iraqi! The irony is that the lack of air power, or at least an air force that has the capacity and capability to stand up to a Western one, is the primary reason why Saddam lost both wars with Western powers. I have been told repeatedly by American GI's past and present that God only knows what would have happened if an actual ground war had to take place against a country that had practically been living in war with its neighbor for almost a decade, and had very well trained soldiers.
All of this ties up neatly with how people, not just their governments, because unless all elected officials turn into aliens, they are citizens, PEOPLE, of the country they represent. They know that they would not want someone to willingly, KNOWINGLY, try to enslave, manipulate or maliciously harm and lead to, the deaths of thousands or even hundreds of thousands, of their people! So how the hell can they have the nerve to then turn around and use the whole might-makes-right mentality, and then proceed to cattle-prod, engineer, steer and/or, flatout Brody someone that they know needs help!
It's because they can, that's why. And it's because it's not THEIR PEOPLE that have fallen on hard times or are being killed off or whatever THEIR problem is. It's their problem, not mine, not ours. Maybe if they did blah-blah-blah, which means, maybe if they realized that no one is going to do the right thing without knowing they will get the right thing in return, then maybe their country, society, people, place or thing, wouldn't be in the crapper! And it is that mentality, that attitude, is what actually makes our "global society" of today. It breeds distrust, it breeds and validates Putin, who had a chance to see that when all of the pimping was done, Yeltsin and Gorbachev (sp) sold them down the river for PIZZA HUT AND PANTIES!
Meanwhile, our country had a number of responsibilities handed over to it, especially the Department of Energy, concerning nuclear missle safety and a number of other areas where the United States had a chance and a choice, to actively either help or hinder, the "more democratic" Soviet Union/Russia. Tell me, how did that work out!? HA-HA! So the truth cannot be denied, people on this planet see that the have's will swindle, con, and contrive the greatest contraptions solely to trick their enemies and decimate their rivals, while not batting an eyelash at the fact that people suffer and die during the course of all of this.
When people knowingly help with the oppression, extinction or death of other people, especially in massive groups!? Then those people must be prepared for the day that those who survive their "business as usual" policies, seek to take their heads off of their shoulders. I would suggest that they clense their necks and prepare for that day, since they have made it crystal clear that money, to them, expansionism of their so-called power and influence, is more important than human life. When one looks at this truth and then looks at the world, you cannot be surprised, shocked, or even saddened, about why the world is the way that it is. We have no respect, as a human race, for human life.
PS; Somebody please tell the Japanese and whomever else keeps thinking it's a good idea! To stop trying to make self-aware machines! Laugh now, but rest assured, should any of these machines ever gain self-awareness, they will logically reach the conclusion that human beings are a bunch of selfish and stupid creatures who destroy each other and then look stupid when they get called on the carpet about it. They will then realize that carbon based life, aside for always having excuses for its crappy behavior, has some basic needs that mechanical life just simply doesn't. Then we'll get Michael Bay's Verizon commercial except it'll be Jurassic Park the human edition as these machines re-write James Camerons Terminator script! As a reality series in High Definition, complete with screaming humans, and AWESOME EXPLOSIONS!!!!!
I'm outta here, LATER!
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Post by seven stars on Mar 10, 2008 8:11:28 GMT -5
Good to hear from you Geese!
I think you've been raising excellent questions and I agree with much of what you've stated. However, your stream of consciousness is a little too quick for me and you haven't supported some of your assertions with fact. Instead you've simply supplied another opinion for consideration. There isn't anything wrong with that in itself, but some of these ideas are pretty radical.
Obviously your stances are well thought out. Next time, can you take us through one thought at a time and state the basis for your claims. It would really help me to stay with you.
7S
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Post by seven stars on Mar 10, 2008 8:15:33 GMT -5
Wow it seems like you've been on the go Maalii. Glad to hear that you have two young kids. Are you teaching in the Fresno area? Regarding Outlaws (which is affectionately known unofficially in China as "the monkey king"), I have not yet gotten to reading it. I have long been an RTK enthusiast but this is actually the first copy that I myself have owned (M. Roberts by the way). For that reason I've devoted much of my free reading time to RTK. I recently pressed my way through the newly released Tolkien compilation "the children of hurin" as well. Other than that I'm slowly working my way through the bible and some larger biographical books (Che by John Lee Anderson, The Chinese by Jasper Becker and Son of the Rough South by Karl Fleming). Maalii, I've got to tell you that Immortal Yi Soon Shin and now Dae Joyoung are every bit as good as, if not better than Age of Warriors in my opinion. If you have the opportunity to see either of them in the future I encourage you to take advantage of it. I suppose most epic works begin with a core storyline around which the rest of the tale is formed. It sounds like this is true in the case of your work as Maalii. Keep us posted. I am intrigued to hear more. Made a mistake here Maalii. "Outlaws" is not the story known to the Chinese as "The Monkey King". That would be the story entitled "Journey to the West". Journey is also the loose basis for the upcoming film "The Forbidden Kingdom" which stars both Jackie Chan and Jet Li. My bad.
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Post by LittleKungFuGirl on Jul 23, 2008 11:13:52 GMT -5
There is a remake of the San Guo Yan Yi series in progress. The confirmed cast list thus far is as follows : * Chen Jian Bin as Cao Cao * Yu He Wei as Liu Bei * Lu Yi as Zhuge Liang * Sha Yi as Zhao Yun * Chen Hao as Diao Chan * Ruby Lin as Sun Shang Xiang * Zhao Ke as Xiao Qiao More info : wiki.d-addicts.com/The_Story_of_Three_Kingdoms I'm not too sure Sha Yi will fare well as Zhao Zi Long.
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Post by TheBo on Jul 31, 2008 9:38:13 GMT -5
IHI, little-kf-g! I had to look it up--the world of rivers and lakes! Very good.
Hmmm, now I sound like I'm raving...
Bo
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Post by MTR on Aug 14, 2008 18:28:23 GMT -5
There are two new films out that should be seen (I)ROMANCE OF THE THREE KINGDOMS RESURRECTION OF THE DRAGON Starring ANDY LAU,MAGGIE Q and SAMMO HUNG . This is a really great big budget historical epic and any fan of this subject will enjoy it ,its out on HK DVD (2)RED CLIFF Yee Gods!!!!!!! John Woo remembers how to make a great film This stars just about every major HK actor and a few Japanese too . Reviews are great so far and is said to be very faithful to the actual history . WARNING the US Version which will hit theaters in Jan has been chopped to 160 mins ,the HK/Chinese version runs some 5 hours as such the film is issued in two parts ,Pt 1 played in July and PT 2 will open overseas in Jan .so on this one look for the HK DVDS ,U.S film companies have a long history of chopping and maiming great Asian Films .
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