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Post by kinoeugene on Jul 11, 2005 20:05:22 GMT -5
I think you mean the series from CCTV china. That series was aired in korea few years ago and I didn't watch the whole episodes so I hardly compare specifically the TV series with the book. sorry.. However, I think the book is more attractive and even Peter Jackson couldn't filemed the story as well as the book. The characters are so multi-dimensional to describe on the screen. And even though excellent film or darama comes out, some people must complain about that. In fact, for long time since the story had spreaded out in east-north asia, people assumed Liu Bei is in good side, Cao Cao is in evil side. But as reading the book more and more, you can see it is not so simple. This story shows you so many cases of life, kinds of poeple, strategies and so on as you know. So, in korea, we have a proverb like 'Don't be a friend with who reads ß²ÏÐò¤ more than 3 times'. Anyway, I've read an article about preproduction for new movie about ß²ÏÐò¤ is preparing in china or HK which is starring Chow Yun Fat as a role for Zhao Yun. If it is true, I'll look forward that movie.
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Post by seven stars on Jul 12, 2005 8:44:25 GMT -5
It's funny that you mention that Skinz, because there were a couple of scenes that caused my concern for those horses.
Kinoeugene, that is exciting news about a Zhao Yun film. He's the perfect character to be featured in such a movie. He was seemingly the most decorated of the five tiger generals, and outlived the rest of them as well.
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Post by skinz on Jul 12, 2005 11:07:42 GMT -5
Anyway, I've read an article about preproduction for new movie about ß²ÏÐò¤ is preparing in china or HK which is starring Chow Yun Fat as a role for Zhao Yun. If it is true, I'll look forward that movie. Yeah I heard about that. Its not a Zhao Yun movie its a movie based soley on the Red Cliff Battle in ROTK. John Woo is directing it.
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Post by kinoeugene on Jul 12, 2005 19:56:34 GMT -5
Ooops....
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Post by seven stars on Aug 24, 2005 13:11:13 GMT -5
Any word on a release date for that movie Skinz or Kinoeugene?
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Post by Obsidian*Gryphon on Sept 16, 2005 23:55:38 GMT -5
The title of the movie is : War Of The Red Cliff. Production is slated to begin in 2006.
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Post by roxelanahybrida on Sept 20, 2005 10:48:57 GMT -5
I think you mean the series from CCTV china. That series was aired in korea few years ago and I didn't watch the whole episodes so I hardly compare specifically the TV series with the book. sorry.. However, I think the book is more attractive and even Peter Jackson couldn't filemed the story as well as the book. The characters are so multi-dimensional to describe on the screen. And even though excellent film or darama comes out, some people must complain about that. In fact, for long time since the story had spreaded out in east-north asia, people assumed Liu Bei is in good side, Cao Cao is in evil side. But as reading the book more and more, you can see it is not so simple. This story shows you so many cases of life, kinds of poeple, strategies and so on as you know. So, in korea, we have a proverb like 'Don't be a friend with who reads ß²ÏÐò¤ more than 3 times'. Anyway, I've read an article about preproduction for new movie about ß²ÏÐò¤ is preparing in china or HK which is starring Chow Yun Fat as a role for Zhao Yun. If it is true, I'll look forward that movie. I'm reading "Three Kingdoms " right now and I have to agree that Cao Cao is not portrayed as a bad guy. I'm only about halfway through (and I'm reading the abridged version so I might be missing a lot) but so far it's hard to know what his motivations are as he seems to keep a lot to himself.
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Post by seven stars on Oct 11, 2005 10:21:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the update OG! I am very much looking forward to "the War of Red Cliff".
Brida, I respectfully digagree with you regarding Cao Cao. While I do believe that his ultimate intentions were for the people, it was this ambition that drove him to carry out evil acts in both the personal and corporate arenas. While a leader must strive toward honorable goals, the ends do not justify the means. While so many are focused on results, integrity lies in the process. Cao Cao nullufied the virtue of his grand enterprise by the path he took in trying to fullfill it.
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Post by normabaylis51 on Dec 11, 2005 14:04:33 GMT -5
Wow! I have been in Koryo and Chosun so long that I did not know there was a movie coming out on the three kingdoms >:(I really like Shu and Wu and have played all the video games wow
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Post by Maalii on Dec 21, 2005 20:04:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the update OG! I am very much looking forward to "the War of Red Cliff". Brida, I respectfully digagree with you regarding Cao Cao. While I do believe that his ultimate intentions were for the people, it was this ambition that drove him to carry out evil acts in both the personal and corporate arenas. While a leader must strive toward honorable goals, the ends do not justify the means. While so many are focused on results, integrity lies in the process. Cao Cao nullufied the virtue of his grand enterprise by the path he took in trying to fullfill it. Of course there are two Cao Caos, the RTK version and the historical version. In history, from the snippets I've read, it doesn't appear that any of the big three (ie Cao Cao, Sun Quan, Liu Bei) was any better or the worse than the other. One might actually give Cao Cao the nod over the other three, given the fact that he is well regarded as a poet, so he clearly had a cultured side. In RTK version, much effort has been expended to portray Cao Cao as the bad guy foil to Liu Bei. Much of this is based on the view of Cao Cao as the usurper or would-be usurper of the Han throne. But even though there are passages in RTK where Cao Cao is described as being the epitome of evil much of his portrayal is positive. There are numerous passages that refer to areas actually prospering under his rule, and of course his emphasis on learning and attracting those of talent is constantly mentioned (his artistic/cultured side is sort of mentioned only in passing, though), and, of course, his own genius is obvious. In short, although RTK trumpets Cao Cao as the archvillain, he is very complexly drawn, with many shades of gray. The painting of the many shades of gray of the characters is one of the many strengths of RTK. By comparison with many of the more simply drawn bad guys of Western epics, Cao Cao isn't a bad guy (so it's easy to see how someone new to RTK might think so), but, make no mistake, he is clearly intended to function as the RTK's No.1 bad guy by the writer. By the way, an English-subtitled set of RTK DVDs is winging its way to my place (finally), where I am currently deprived of the Asian TV I enjoyed so much in the SF area (I'm currently going through my annual "winter" read of RTK--this time my old favorite B-T version again). Interestingly enough I was able to catch two climactic episodes of two mega series within the space of a week. First was on Thanksgiving weekend at my brother in law's place I caught the Yosh_tsune episode with the Dannoura sea battle (ie the final crushing defeat of the Taira)--he has a special order deal of a J-TV channel and Yoshitsune actually has subtitles, although the rest of the programming doesn't (doesn't matter to him as both he and his wife are fluent in Japanese). Dannoura was far better than the earlier Yosh_tsune episodes I caught but still a far cry from the level of some earlier Japanese series, such as the Hiraizumi series, let alone AOW. A week later I was in the SF Area for a meeting and I just happened to catch the last episode of YSS on their good old Ch 28. Speaking of DVD sets, I've read that there was a Chinese mega series on Outlaws of the Marsh but I haven't heard of any English-subtitled DVD set from it. That's another one I'd sure like to check out.
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Post by seven stars on Jan 10, 2006 11:28:02 GMT -5
Maali,
Did Cao Cao kill his own family members with Chen Gong in the SGYY?
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Post by Maalii on Jan 13, 2006 20:53:26 GMT -5
Maali, Did Cao Cao kill his own family members with Chen Gong in the SGYY? In the SGYY yes. I don't believe the incident is in the SGZ, so I think it's one of the novelist many excellent inventions to develop the Cao Cao character. It's not exactly family members. The fellow who takes him in (only to be killed) he calls "uncle", but I believe it is good friend of his father's rather than a true blood relative. He and Chen Gong do indeed butcher the family while Cao's "uncle" is away at a market getting food for dinner, when they suspect (wrongly) that the family is preparing to kill him and Chen Gong ('bind before killing, eh?' referred to binding a pig as it turned out). Then, upon finding out their error, they leave the house and encounter "uncle" on the road returning home with stuff to eat. Cao kills him too, to the utter horror of Chen Gong. This leads to one of the most chilling phrases uttered by Cao Cao: "I would rather wrong the world than have the world wrong me." At least that's the way it's worded in the B-T translation. I recall the phrase having much less punch in Roberts. The author sure lavished a lot of attention on the Cao Cao character--I think more than anyone else in the novel (Kongming would be second, of course). There are so many choice Cao Cao quotes. I was just reciting another classic to my wife the other day--the great "discussing heroes" scene. "Are you familiar with the evolution of dragons?...." What a great novel.
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Post by Maalii on Jan 15, 2006 22:11:13 GMT -5
Just a little note. I received my RTK series DVDs and have started watching them. I'm on the 3rd of 28 right now--Tao Qian is begging Liu Bei to take the reigns in Xuzhou. As of this point (I guess this would be "episode 8") I find the show good (favorite scene to this point is probably the classic three brothers vs Lu Bu battle), but not anywhere near as well acted or as multi-dimensional as AOW. Another thing that really amazes me, too, is that we have something like 60 hrs of total programming in 84 episodes--presumably these filled 84 hour-long television sets--yet this production still feels like a VERY seriously abridged version of the novel. It seems as if it's barely skimming the novel. I can't even count the stuff I'd like to seen to this point that has been left out (and I'm only on Ep 8). I think that really speaks for the depth and richness of the novel. I mean, think of it, in about 6 hours worth of movies, Peter Jackson did a pretty decent job of telling Tolkien's classic. Sure there were parts that most of us quibbled about, but it hardly felt like "skimming" through LOTR.
Getting back to the production, it's still 20 episodes from Kongming's entry into the show, but Kongming is one of the 6 folks featured in the opening credits (along with Liu Bei, Cao Cao, Sun Quan, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei). The Kongming actor's facial expression reminded me a lot of Duduel in AOW. Of course we once discussed the numerous RTK-AOW parallels many time before from the 3 sworn brothers, to individuals (Che Won is clearly inspired by and modeled after Zhang Fei), to individual scenes (Du Kyung Seung letting the Archfiend go after the latter's crushing defeat at the hands of Kyung Dae Seung is very similar to Guan Yu letting Cao Cao escape after Chibi). Although nowhere near carbon copies, I think there's a lot of Cao Cao built into the Choi Choonghon character. In fact, thinking of the famed "I'd rather wrong the world than have the world wrong me" quote, I recall Choi voiced a very similar sentiment during his first appearances in the show, when he advised KDS to dispose of some of his close associates.
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Post by turtlemaster on Nov 17, 2006 14:44:08 GMT -5
I HAVE ROMANCE OF THE THREE KINGDOMS COMICSpt.1 the oath of fraternity in the peach garden my favorite part is the battles of yu-bi,guan-woo,but i forgot the other brothers name but the funniest 1 is whipping the government inspector u guys gotta read this book! i give this a 5 **** rating! [/img]
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Post by Maalii on Apr 28, 2007 4:35:17 GMT -5
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