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Post by ID on Jun 29, 2004 8:34:37 GMT -5
well, a big thing happened. and now all true warriors are gone. not a single one left.{except for yi ji soon, and choi sae-bu's son. but they dont count} i used to have an avatar with zhao yun. he represented the archfiend. brave, fearless, courageous, loyal, and insanely strong. but now that the archfiend is gone, i have changed my avatar. the person in my avatar is Ji Ling of Wu. He was weak, scary, stupid, and well, weak. he also has a crescent spear to pair up with his crescent eyebrows.he symbolizes choe chunghun. just wanted to bring that up. anyone else have this type of odd feelings about the archfiend's death?
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Post by Chung Kyun on Jun 29, 2004 12:16:04 GMT -5
well, a big thing happened. and now all true warriors are gone. not a single one left.{except for yi ji soon, and choi sae-bu's son. but they dont count} i used to have an avatar with zhao yun. he represented the archfiend. brave, fearless, courageous, loyal, and insanely strong. but now that the archfiend is gone, i have changed my avatar. the person in my avatar is Ji Ling of Wu. He was weak, scary, stupid, and well, weak. he also has a crescent spear to pair up with his crescent eyebrows.he symbolizes choe chunghun. just wanted to bring that up. anyone else have this type of odd feelings about the archfiend's death? the choi clan has warriors. choong-su and the rest of the choi clan. if smebody has the guts to fight in a war, they are warriors even if there skills ain't as good as the other warriors. so to me when the mongols invaded the age of wariors was over. as now the mongols made oryo dress like them and everything has to do with the mongols. then no warriors ruled koryo anymore. so thats the end of warriors.
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Post by ID on Jun 29, 2004 12:43:04 GMT -5
the choi clan has warriors. choong-su and the rest of the choi clan. if smebody has the guts to fight in a war, they are warriors even if there skills ain't as good as the other warriors. so to me when the mongols invaded the age of wariors was over. as now the mongols made oryo dress like them and everything has to do with the mongols. then no warriors ruled koryo anymore. so thats the end of warriors. i disagree. sure, they are warriors. but by 'warriors' i mean, loyal, brave, ect. the chois certainly are not brave if they would strike the archfiend, by ambushing him when he has few men. the archfiend would never be so sneaky, and backstabbing. and they have no loyalty. as duduel said, choi would be the emperor without the emperor's robes.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Jun 29, 2004 13:05:56 GMT -5
i disagree. sure, they are warriors. but by 'warriors' i mean, loyal, brave, ect. the chois certainly are not brave if they would strike the archfiend, by ambushing him when he has few men. the archfiend would never be so sneaky, and backstabbing. and they have no loyalty. as duduel said, choi would be the emperor without the emperor's robes. well the nly warrior i seen is general/minister du, if you say about loyalty and honor, then he onl one that koryo ever had was, du and kyung dae-seung. a warrior is suppose to be loyal to the emperor and thats it, friendship comes next. so ui-bang and the rest shouldn't be warriors as they had no loyalty tothe emperor. but i don't see a warrior as to only be loyal but i see it as fighters that will fight to the end. that will do what it takes for there cause, no matter what. all the warriors in the age of warriors always say loyalty in front of the emperor but its bull, thats not honor but just bull. if thats what you think about loyalty and things that a warrior does. then aow has no warriors remember friends are secound when it comes to being faitful to the emperor. why not say, my emperor im not faithful to you because you don't do anything for the people or the dynasty. if you change your ways you may win are hearts. so i go for warrior in fighting, mostly then loyalty. zhao yun was a warrior like you say, he was loyal to his emperor Liu bei. now thats the kind of warrior your talking about. i guess there could be two types of warriors.
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Post by TheIceTiger on Jun 29, 2004 13:42:05 GMT -5
Well for one thing, that alot of warrior dont see the current king as the emperor of Koryo, because it was they who puted him in the throne. Secondly, what else do they have to fear? They removed the last emperor, and they feel like they can do it again if they want to. To many of them, loyality isnt worth anything. Also some warriors just gave up. Look what happen to the warrior who is actually loyal to the emperor when no one else is not. Thats right , im talking about KDS. Look where he ended up. KDS abandon the dream of Dobang because he wanted to restore the emperor's authority. And look how the emperor return his kindness. By celebrating his death with a big meal. What other warriors can make themselves loyal to a man like that? Would you? Like i said before, the emperor deserves whatever that is happening to him now and other thigns that is about to come.
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Post by TheIceTiger on Jun 29, 2004 13:47:45 GMT -5
well i also want to add one thing, remember that gen choe , the one who came in power after KDS 's death? He is a great example. He even say it to himself, he isnt going to make the same mistake as KDS and end up like him. He is just one of many warrior who just gave up on the loyality thing from seeing what the ending of a true loyal warrior.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Jun 29, 2004 13:56:36 GMT -5
Well for one thing, that alot of warrior dont see the current king as the emperor of Koryo, because it was they who puted him in the throne. Secondly, what else do they have to fear? They removed the last emperor, and they feel like they can do it again if they want to. To many of them, loyality isnt worth anything. Also some warriors just gave up. Look what happen to the warrior who is actually loyal to the emperor when no one else is not. Thats right , im talking about KDS. Look where he ended up. KDS abandon the dream of Dobang because he wanted to restore the emperor's authority. And look how the emperor return his kindness. By celebrating his death with a big meal. What other warriors can make themselves loyal to a man like that? Would you? Like i said before, the emperor deserves whatever that is happening to him now and other thigns that is about to come. im not saying about being loyal makes you a warrior, but a warrior is suppose to be loyal even if the emperor is an a$$. they are all only loyal to them self. imperialdragon talks about loyalty and honor. the emperor trusted ui-min, but ui-m,in didn't give a damn about the emperor. its not honor to bully a weak uy like the emperor, now do i care? no for me a warrior is about, fighting and being loyal to his friends and doing what it takes to make your dream come true. but in du book, its about being loyal to the emperor and friendship comes next. zhao yun is way diffrent from ui-min, he was loyalto liu bei and would do anything for him and he never killed good people. so that the kind of warrior with loyalty and honor. the other warriors are more faithful to themself then the emperor and any other. but they are still warriors in there fighting and loyalty to friends sometimes.
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Post by ID on Jun 29, 2004 15:05:41 GMT -5
zhao yun is way diffrent from ui-min, he was loyalto liu bei and would do anything for him and he never killed good people. so that the kind of warrior with loyalty and honor. well, yi ui min would take his own life if yi ui bang told him to. zhao yun was loyal to liu bei a LONG time before liu bei became emperor of shu. the Han Emperor,{though he was a puppet to the eunuchs, then to He Jin, then to Dong Zhao, then to Yuan Shao, and then to Cao Cao}, he only had an impenetrable loyalty to liu bei. which was almost as touchign as when zhang fei whipped the inspecter. so yi ui min,was loyal, in a way. choe chunghun never had loyalty to anyone but his own greed.
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Post by TheIceTiger on Jun 29, 2004 15:10:47 GMT -5
the emperor trusted ui min, bah ahaha i dun think so. He says it him self, that hes using ui min to supress KDS when he bought him back. What he really wants is those 2 tigers to fight so he can get the advantage.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Jun 29, 2004 16:33:00 GMT -5
well, yi ui min would take his own life if yi ui bang told him to. zhao yun was loyal to liu bei a LONG time before liu bei became emperor of shu. the Han Emperor,{though he was a puppet to the eunuchs, then to He Jin, then to Dong Zhao, then to Yuan Shao, and then to Cao Cao}, he only had an impenetrable loyalty to liu bei. which was almost as touchign as when zhang fei whipped the inspecter. so yi ui min,was loyal, in a way. choe chunghun never had loyalty to anyone but his own greed. yes i know all abot the rtk warriors. they met and became friends fast. he then became 1 of the 5 tigers of shu. but he was good and not a tyrant. yes ui-min would do anything ui-bang told him to. but zhao yun was a better man.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Jun 29, 2004 16:35:40 GMT -5
the emperor trusted ui min, bah ahaha i dun think so. He says it him self, that hes using ui min to supress KDS when he bought him back. What he really wants is those 2 tigers to fight so he can get the advantage. yes bt like cho once said, the emperor trust the evil subjects but lets his loal subjects die. but ui-min made the mistake on he;lping minister choi son. thats when the emperor distrusted him and began to cry to du about it.
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Post by ArchFiend 4 life on Jun 29, 2004 17:40:36 GMT -5
A true warrior has his word of honor. Choi definetely lost all his credibility once he lied to the Ministers, no matter how corrupt and selfish they maybe, they are members of the Royal COurt, and a true warrior would never lie. But choi did.... If you dont know what im talking about, Keep watching AoW.
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Post by ID on Jun 29, 2004 17:42:27 GMT -5
the emperor trusted ui min, bah ahaha i dun think so. He says it him self, that hes using ui min to supress KDS when he bought him back. What he really wants is those 2 tigers to fight so he can get the advantage. yeah, but he made the mistake of eliminating the surviving tiger {yi ui min} which now leaves him with one tiger {choe chunghun, though he is no tiger to me} who he can't contend with.
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Post by ArchFiend 4 life on Jun 29, 2004 17:45:42 GMT -5
Choi is no tiger, hes just a cat And an army of 10000000000 cats can take down a tiger(esp if those cats had rabies ). And thats what happened.
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Post by ID on Jun 29, 2004 17:57:57 GMT -5
Choi is no tiger, hes just a cat And an army of 10000000000 cats can take down a tiger(esp if those cats had rabies ). And thats what happened. well, as i said, myung-jung cant even take on a cat, since he is no more than a rodent.
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