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Post by galacticchick on Nov 27, 2003 15:29:04 GMT -5
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Post by jenny on Nov 27, 2003 16:02:29 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing, this could be Jimin in 25 years. As far as we can tell, it seems like Min Jae's stepdad really loves him, kinda like Young Joon and Jimin. More trouble with Hoju and last names.... at least OMR picked up the cause where YH left off!
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Post by JadeEyes on Nov 28, 2003 15:24:01 GMT -5
I don't see any similarity...not in the least.
Grandma Sohn initially was against Young-joon marrying Ja-young because she was carrying another man's baby...but she always said it really wasn't the morality question that concerned her...nor did she oppose Ja-young for any other reason. Her main concern was a whole mess of lifeling trouble later when people they know and w/ whom they associate find out they have a child in common. She saw this as creating so much trouble, it could only bring misery to all involved, and that's not what she wants for her grandson.
But after the child was born and a few years passed and no trouble cropped up, she could see how Young-joon had eyes for no one other than Ja-young and that he would never be happy w/ or interested in anyone else. At that point, she decided to approve the marriage, and once she did, she never looked back and had no regrets. She accepted Ji-min completely and unconditionally, and thought of him as her own great grandson. It was plain to see she was totally charmed by him. Even w/ a new baby coming into the picture that shared blood ties w/ her, I do not see her favoring this child over Ji-min.
Furthermore, the 2 families in YH and OMR are not parallel. The mother opposed her son marrying the woman he really loved, and succeeeded in keeping them apart. Eventually, the son married a woman of whom the mother approved, they had a child together and then the wife died. After that, the son married the woman he loved all along. His mother still did not approve, but felt she could no longer stand in the way of her son's wishes. But there was always resentment. In addition, the second wife had been married and widowed herself and had had a child by her late husband. It's not hard to see why this begrudging old sourpuss would focus her resentment on the long-suffering second wife and her child from her earlier marriage, and why she would dote obsessively on the blood grandson who was the product of the union of which she approved.
This is not at all what happened in YH. Young-joon never married anyone else, nor had a child w/ anyone else. Once his grandmother approved the marriage, she regretted her obstinance and the pain she had caused everyone very deeply, and she opened her heart completely to Ja-young and her little boy and did everything she could to atone for her past sins. Further, Grandma Sohn is not the nasty, small-minded sourpuss Oh In-hwan's mother is.
There's no parallel at all.
Jade
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Post by jenny on Nov 29, 2003 14:53:03 GMT -5
No, I don't mean JiMin's exact future, but what could have happened if Sang Min had put JiMin on his family register, and JiMin grew up a Lee, even though he wanted to be a Jung (was that Young Joon's last name?). The story in OMR seems to be that Min-jae was truly loved by his stepdad (like YJ and JM) but he still had a different last name to seperate them. Remember the argument Min-jae had with his mom, how he really wanted to be an Oh, but he will always be a Kang (or the other way around)? No matter how much his stepdad loves him, he could never feel like his son. And that's where I saw JiMin, before SM gave up.
Grandma Sohn could have favored her birth grandchild and turned into the nasty grandma (although I doubt that).
I didn't see a parallel in the storyline, its the last name situation that resembles JiMin and Yoon Joon. If Sangmin had made JM his son, this could have been his future. Just trying to make YH go on forever.....
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Post by galacticchick on Nov 29, 2003 22:32:13 GMT -5
Maybe I should have been more specific.
I do believe their are similarities in that, like it has been stated before, the stepdad really loves Minjae and treats him like a son and has been obviously trying hard to try dissolve the boundaries that the grandma has set up so that they will all be one big happy family (or at least that's the reason he gave Minjae when he asked to move out).
Of course that the one thing that is not similar is the obvious dislike this grandma has for her daughter in law and her son, unlike the loving relationshiop Grandma Sohn cultivated w/YJ and Jimin.
However, why is it that Yu-jin's mom opposes even the thought of her daughter marrying Minjae? Because it's not the President Oh's "real" son. Jimin will grow up in a class and a society that will be acutely aware of his "situation" and maybe will discriminate him when it comes time to date and marry the woman he loves. You guys know how they get when it comes time to register somebody in their family registry.
It's not a statement, it's an opinion so there's no need to rule out the possibility as if it was something completely stupid and idiotic.
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Post by JadeEyes on Nov 30, 2003 1:26:38 GMT -5
If you remember, though, Young-joon registered Ji-min under his family name, Jung, and that became Ji-min's legal name. Before Sang-min was stricken, he contested Young-joon's claim and won. He was set at that time to follow through with filing the papers to make Ji-min a Lee. But just then, he learned he was dying of cancer and decided to drop his claim. As he died before filing the papers, Ji-min remained a Jung. Unless Woon-kyu later followed up by pursuing the claim to make Ji-min a Lee -- which I don't even know is a legal option once the biological father is deceased -- Ji-min will remain a Jung all his life. Except for a few people close to Young-joon and/or Ja-young before they married, 99% of everyone who will ever know Ji-min from then on will assume he's Young-joon's legal and biological son, so I really don't see him being exposed to this kind of societal prejudice.
Furthermore, the main difference, as you say, is that Young-joon's grandmother accepts Ji-min as her own, once she approved the marriage, and was good to Ji-min and treated him lovingly. I don't see her turning against him and treated him w/ prejudice the way the nasty old grandmother treats Min-jae in OMR.
Lastly, I don't know exactly what you mean by saying something can't be ruled out as a possibility because it's an opinion. As all the people in this theoretical discussion are fictitious and exist in a TV drama, and their futures exist only in our imaginations, nothing really is a possibility. Or everything is a possibility in the mind of the one imagining. I can imagine, if I so choose, Ji-min traveling in space someday and living on another planet. So, in that sense, I suppose Ji-min living on another planet is a "possibility". But, for the sake of argument, if we want to "pretend" for a moment that the families in YH and those in OMR are real, living, breathing people, and we want to draw comparisons between them, we have to look at the facts of their lives as we know them, based on how they are presented to us by their creators. From that standpoint, I look at Min-jae now and I look at Ji-min and imagine his future, and the facts of these 2 people's lives as they were/are presented, are not at all parallel. So I can say with some confidence that Min-jae's adult life is not at all likely to be Ji-min's fate.
So I'm not saying anything is stupid or idiotic (those are your words--I don't know where they came from). But I am saying the logic for the parallels as you paint them are just not there, as I see it. That's my opinion.
Jade
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Post by Jean on Dec 2, 2003 16:25:51 GMT -5
I guess we are to assume that Ji-min lived happily ever after! At the end of the YH, Ji-min had a mother, father, and a new baby sister. Even though his biological father had died, and probably did not understand how Sang-min was his biological father, as Ja-young said, "Someday in the future she could tell Ji-min his biological father was an honorable man."
Jean
P.S. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED! The Korean drama - TO BE WITH YOU - is playing out of Philadelphia on Channel 20 WYBE with English subtitles on Monday to Friday at 11:00 AM to 11:30 AM. I found this by mistake today. Not sure what eposide was showing, but I will find out tomorrow when I watch it again.
THIS COULD BE MEAN SOMEDAY THEY WILL SHOW THE YELLOW HANDKERCHIEF AS A RERUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jean
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Post by nsheldon on Dec 2, 2003 19:03:50 GMT -5
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Post by Soju on Dec 3, 2003 23:30:08 GMT -5
Just remember that YH is certainly copyrighted, and only KBS, or those who have obtained permission from KBS, can legally distribute copies of the show, even by giving copies away.
But I sure would like to be able to get DVDs of the first hundred episodes (before I began archiving them).
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Post by Kis on Dec 6, 2003 20:56:21 GMT -5
Thanks Jean for the 411, I really appreciated it....
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