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Post by ajk on Jan 9, 2022 1:41:13 GMT -5
...will be up on Kocowa within 24 hours. Remember, you have 24 hours after it's posted to watch it for free with ads.
By the way my local KBS station here in Chicago never answered my inquiry about whether or not they would show the series on their station.
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Post by MTR on Jan 9, 2022 11:56:36 GMT -5
Probably not. We just started Moonshine and i believe we have the same feed as Chicago .
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Post by ajk on Jan 9, 2022 18:06:28 GMT -5
Well the people who control the Chicago rights tend to play with the programming. They have some of their own local stuff that they toss in so you just never know. And the most recent program schedule on their website is nearly a year old.
But you're probably right, if the thing is up on a streaming site then they might be less likely to carry it over the air. I'll try to check in on the station tonight and see if it shows up.
p.s. And I just turned it on and they're showing Moonshine right now.
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Post by sageuk on Jan 9, 2022 18:24:31 GMT -5
Did anyone think that the kid that died was going to grow up to be Prince Yangnyeong? That was my initial thoughts, but then I learned Yangnyeong was born in 1394.
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Post by ajk on Jan 9, 2022 20:26:28 GMT -5
Somewhere I read that they had three sons die in infancy before Yangnyeong. So yeah I think this is accurate. And Wikipedia says there's a daughter before him as well (she survives). Dang that poor woman had a lot of kids.
Some of this episode was very good, really well done. Other parts, again they’re trying too hard to juice everything up with extra emotion and extra drama. I don't know if this is bothering anybody else but for me it's wearing me out.
Case in point, first we got the scene with Jeong Dojeon giving Bangwon the bad news. Very abruptly so, but it does make sense that it would be abrupt. Good scene.
But the next scene with Bangwon and Mrs. Kang, in the context of this version of the story it fits, but the strangling and all of the rumbling angry music and the wife running in and sobbing on the ground, on and on, it was just too much.
“Do not use the excuse that you are just looking out for your brothers. I know you. You are already blinded with anger.” OK we need more of this—something like this makes the whole situation more believable because now we know that LSG on his own had hesitation about naming Bangwon crown prince and wasn’t just doing his wife’s bidding like a puppy dog. This helped a ton.
Even in a routine state meeting, the loud hyper-dramatic music with the banging drums, enough already! This isn’t Kingdom, there aren’t zombies coming around every corner. Save this stuff fo when you really need it.
And then they put the baby’s death on the same day, and then the amount of wailing that Lady Min did, she’s too strong a person to be losing it as much as she did (especially since she had lost two infant boys before), and then they came back to it with her and Bangwon both wailing and wailing, yes you can understand why they’d be extra-devastated from both of the blows they took today, but on and on with the loud swelling violins, again too much. Like the producers are jumping up and down and pointing “Looky here! This is sad! Really sad!” We’re not idiots, stop beating on this stuff like we’re too dumb to get it without spoon-feeding it.
To be fair, I do like how we’re seeing so much of these earlier struggles that Bangwon and his wife are enduring together and how it’s defining them. Many of these historicals don’t do enough to give us characters with any depth to them. Not this one—already these are two people you’re fascinated by. And Lady Kang too--how she explained herself to Bangwon so completely and honestly, that was terrific and we really saw into her mind there.
Bangseok: “What if the other brothers get mad at me?” What if? Really? Maybe this kid is too dense to be anywhere near the throne!
“It’s the queen’s world now...She had His Majesty walk in front of her, and walked hand-in-hand with the Crown Prince...the current king and the next king are both under her control. She is really good at politics.” Now this is more like it! You can buy this, and it works, and it’s very powerful imagery, and it sure does sell Lady Kang as a force to be reckoned with and a very shrewd, smart person. You don’t need to resort to over-the-top distortions to juice it up. Excellent stuff here, well done.
Surprising that father-in-law didn’t mention to LSG that his grandson died. With LSG showing the first pang of remorse, it would have been effective to throw that news in there.
“Why hasn’t he come to get me yet?” Already I like this Ha Ryun--he seems like a real wily Chicago-style political veteran. Already eager to see more of him. (Ironically it’s the actor who played King Gongyang in the Jeong Dojeon series.)
These most recent four episodes have been better than the first six. The series definitely has potential and they’re trying much harder than most historicals do to give us fully developed characters. Just pull back a few notches and it could turn out to be excellent.
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Post by truth on Jan 9, 2022 20:47:49 GMT -5
Flaw of this episode (same mistake made in the first scene of Ep 1)
Bangseok is wearing Red Dragon robe as the Crown Prince, but Red Dragon robe was first worn by King Sejong.
All Joseon kings before Sejong wore the Blue Dragon Robe just like LSG in this episode.
Crown Princes did not have a special robe before Sejong's reign and were just dressed like a court official. This includes when Sejong was Crown Prince. Sejong did not wear a special robe when he was a Crown Prince.
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Post by sageuk on Jan 9, 2022 20:56:54 GMT -5
Is there a reason as to why the early Joseon kings' robes were initially blue?
Like a symbolic meaning?
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Post by truth on Jan 9, 2022 21:06:24 GMT -5
Is there a reason as to why the early Joseon kings' robes were initially blue? Like a symbolic meaning? King Sukjong actually asked the same question after seeing LSG's portrait. Answer he was given by court official Kim Suheung was, "It is said that blue was a revered color in Goryeo. As you know, Taejo was born during Goryeo dynasty. That is probably why he wore blue robe." This also explains why both Jeongjong and Taejong wore blue, because they were all from Goryeo dynasty. For the same reason, it is assumed that last few kings of Goryeo may have dressed in the same blue robe as well. LSG probably just didn't invent a whole new robe out of nowhere.
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Post by sageuk on Jan 10, 2022 19:34:25 GMT -5
I've seen dramas in which babies die from illnesses, but I don't think I've seen funeral processions for the dead child, let alone burials. The most I've seen is a memorial tablet being set up, and this was for members of the royal family.
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Post by mugwump on Jan 14, 2022 11:22:53 GMT -5
"She is really great at politics." Ya think? I love how everybody is already getting greedy and feeling slighted.
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Post by ajk on Jan 15, 2022 4:04:40 GMT -5
Isn't that amazing...it was all about the Great Cause, so much risk and effort and sacrifice, and the moment they get there it turns into a cage fight.
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Post by sageuk on Mar 29, 2022 16:52:43 GMT -5
I think I figured out why early Joseon kings (and possibly late Goryeo kings) wore blue beyond it being a previous color during the Goryeo era though I can't completely confirm this.
Chinese dynasties consider themselves the center of the world. Korea is located east of China.
In Chinese cardinal directions, blue represents the east, as shown by the Azure Dragon, one of the four symbols of the Chinese constellations.
In fact, one of the many names ancient China used to give the Korean peninsula was 청구 (靑丘) Cheonggu, or Blue Hills. Can also mean "Green Hills," but the word used for blue can also mean green.
I don't know why Joseon kings starting with Sejong made the switch to red, but apparently for jesa tables (memorial service to the dead), red foods are placed on the east end of the table.
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