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Post by ajk on Jun 7, 2016 15:11:11 GMT -5
Storyline-wise, not much to say about this one. Just patiently waiting for the pure fiction to be over with so we can get to the more interesting stuff. I will say, the drawn-out melodrama and misery scenes are getting tiring. A little of that goes a long way; too much of it becomes hard to watch. It's ironic because Choi Soo Jong was the star of DJY and the first part of that series had the same problem--the first part was very good but it had some of the same kinds of over-milked misery scenes. Why was Yon being held responsible for Goong-bok's deception? Yon didn't do anything wrong; total guilt by association. And one other question: Why did Goong-bok reveal himself to Lady Chae-ryung in the carriage and scare her like that? I didn't see any point to it. He had a perfectly good hiding place and (it seemed like) could have just stayed there quietly and slipped away later. Question for anybody who can answer it: The slave women who were being bathed and cleaned up--why were there earlobes being looked at? Was the earlobe a big focus beauty-wise in China back then? Or was it some sort of Chinese belief that earlobes reveal things about a person? I did find this: www.visiontimes.com/2014/01/26/chinese-face-reading-how-ear-shape-determines-personality.html"Madam Jami showed them great mercy by sparing their lives." Yeah, she sure did...I mean, you knew they wouldn't kill the lead character in episode 7 but it was a surprising twist. Actually not a bad business move--using them to make some money rather than killing them--but it was a shockingly nice thing for her to do for Jung-hwa. Never expected that from her. p.s. All of that torture didn't mess up their hair, did it.....
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Post by sageuk on Jun 7, 2016 19:44:10 GMT -5
There are alot of moments that made m go "get on with it already" even back when I first watched this
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Post by jewel on Jun 7, 2016 22:28:58 GMT -5
Exactly what I asked myself too. Made no sense.
Oh my god, you crack me up!!
I really don't have much to say about this episode. For me what's tiring is the way Goong Bok and Yon keep trying to escape and keep getting caught again and again. It's getting kinda repetitive...
I believe this is a first Korean historical drama I've watched where people don't wear Hanbok. I realize it's because this story takes place much earlier. But I really really miss Hanbok. I just love them. The costumes they were in this drama are so ugly, particularly the women's dresses. They look like badly designed nightgowns. And their hair styles - ugh!!
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Post by truth on Jun 8, 2016 12:37:53 GMT -5
I believe this is a first Korean historical drama I've watched where people don't wear Hanbok. I realize it's because this story takes place much earlier. But I really really miss Hanbok. I just love them. The costumes they were in this drama are so ugly, particularly the women's dresses. They look like badly designed nightgowns. And their hair styles - ugh!! The costume they wear in this drama is called Hanbok, too. Hanbok doesn't specifically refer to a costume from a certain time period. Hanbok just means "Korean clothing." People are just used to the Hanbok from Joseon era, especially the 19th century version of Hanbok, and pretty much just assumes Hanbok = 19th century Joseon dynasty style costume. If you watch Jeong Dojeon, which takes place during the first years of Joseon dynasty, the Hanbok they wear looks nothing like the Hanbok that comes to your mind when you think of Joseon dynasty Hanbok.
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Post by jewel on Jun 8, 2016 15:40:03 GMT -5
The costume they wear in this drama is called Hanbok, too. Hanbok doesn't specifically refer to a costume from a certain time period. Oh I didn't know that. Well then let me correct myself and say I like the Joseon era Hanbok best. I don't know who influenced whom but in EOS, the costumes look Chinese and I've never really liked Chinese traditional clothes much.
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Post by truth on Jun 8, 2016 17:21:26 GMT -5
The costume they wear in this drama is called Hanbok, too. Hanbok doesn't specifically refer to a costume from a certain time period. Oh I didn't know that. Well then let me correct myself and say I like the Joseon era Hanbok best. I don't know who influenced whom but in EOS, the costumes look Chinese and I've never really liked Chinese traditional clothes much. Which Joseon era Hanbok do you like the best? Because even Joseon era Hanbok varies by century. Hanbok by time period 1. Three Kingdom Era 2. Early Northern-Southern Kingdom Era 3. Late Unified Shilla Era (This drama) 4. Early Goryeo Dynasty 1. Late Goryeo Dynasty 2. Early Joseon Dynasty 3. Joseon(15th Century) 4. Joseon(16th Century) 1. Joseon (17th Century) 2. Joseon (18th Century) 3. Joseon (19th Century) 4. 1920 (Korea under Japanese occupation)
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Post by sageuk on Jun 8, 2016 18:44:17 GMT -5
It looks like the girl in the Three Kingdoms era is wearing a turtle neck sweater
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Post by jewel on Jun 8, 2016 20:59:41 GMT -5
I defintely like the 16th and 17th century best. I like the Hanbok that everyone wears nowdays in Korea on New Year's Day or at weddings. And I love the costumes in Yi San and Dong Yi. I really love this style... I have one similar to this that my mom got for me last time we were in Korea.
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Post by jewel on Jun 8, 2016 21:05:07 GMT -5
It looks like the girl in the Three Kingdoms era is wearing a turtle neck sweater Wish Madame Jami would wear one... hate looking at her long scrawny bare neck all the time...
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Post by truth on Jun 8, 2016 23:16:00 GMT -5
I defintely like the 16th and 17th century best. I like the Hanbok that everyone wears nowdays in Korea on New Year's Day or at weddings. And I love the costumes in Yi San and Dong Yi. View Attachment I really love this style... I have one similar to this that my mom got for me last time we were in Korea. The one that everyone wears nowadays, which is the one that is in the picture you linked, is the 19th century version as that was the costume worn in Korea right before the Western culture came in. I think that's the case with most Asian countries. People think of the stereotypical China Dress when they think of Chinese costume for example, but they were only worn during Qing dynasty, which was the last dynasty in China, and not even originally Chinese in the first place. As for Madam Jami's dresses, or any revealing dresses in this drama, they're just straight up Tang Chinese style dress as I'm sure Korean costumes at the time weren't that revealing even though Koreans were more progressive than Joseon dynasty during this time. No.3 on the 1st picture I linked is the most accurate depiction of the costumes during the time period.
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Post by jewel on Jun 9, 2016 15:58:17 GMT -5
I kinda thought it was 19th century that I liked best but in your samples the 19th century looks different. I see now that in your 16th century sample the top is still a little too long for it to be the style of Hanbok that I like best. I would've said 18th century too but the skirt is all bumpily and strange.
As far as men's clothing I loved what Lee Joon Gi wore in Arang and the Magistate. I don't think any man looks as good as LJG in Korean traditional clothing. (That reminds me I still have to watch The Scholar Who Walks the Night!)
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Post by ajk on Jun 9, 2016 19:50:48 GMT -5
Thanks, truth--great addition! Really appreciate your digging up those drawings.
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Post by truth on Jun 9, 2016 20:26:56 GMT -5
I kinda thought it was 19th century that I liked best but in your samples the 19th century looks different. I see now that in your 16th century sample the top is still a little too long for it to be the style of Hanbok that I like best. I would've said 18th century too but the skirt is all bumpily and strange. Those samples were too cartoonish, so here are more accurate versions of Joseon dynasty Hanboks. Turns out the style that you liked was not a 19th century style, but a new style created in 20th century or at least in the late 1800s. One mistake in this picture is that the first example was actually only used during 15th century(and late 14th), not 16th. 1. 16th century 2. 17th century 3. 18th century 4. 19th century~early 20th century Early Joseon Recent Drama : KBS Jeong Dojeon (2014) Middle Joseon Recent Drama : KBS Jingbirok (2015) Late Joseon As for the time period of this drama... This was the most accurate version I could find.
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Post by mugwump on Jun 9, 2016 20:50:59 GMT -5
I've actually always liked the clothing better in the earlier pre-Cheosun dramas. Perhaps they're not historically accurate, but I like the various styles and colors. The Cheosun wear is a little too simple and plain (Confucian ideals?) for me.
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Post by jewel on Jun 9, 2016 21:29:17 GMT -5
I'm still gonna say the 19th century Joseon Hanbok is my favorite. The 20th century one, at least in your picture, the skirt looks too stiff and too full for my taste. I like this look lots too. I found this while I was looking at Hanbok. She modernized the Hanbok for the red carpet. Pretty cool.
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