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Post by ajk on Feb 27, 2015 12:10:52 GMT -5
This is the historical spoiler thread for BOC. A "historical spoiler" is a piece of factual information from a later date than the current episode's story date. So for instance, Episode 1 begins with certain specific events in the year 1592, so any historical information from that date onwards is considered a historical spoiler until we view Episode 1.
All historical spoilers must—-MUST—-be posted here and nowhere else.
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Post by sageuk on Mar 21, 2015 9:41:57 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure if this is a spoiler, since it would be more accurate to say that this is a remnant of history, but just in case since its a battle that hasn't taken place yet... www.cyworld.com/eunayoon/3986784In this link, is the battle site of Tongnae Fortress, where a subway construction company apparently found the remains of civilians who were killed there. Article from 2005.
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Post by MTR on Mar 23, 2015 12:07:38 GMT -5
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Post by sageuk on Mar 30, 2015 13:27:19 GMT -5
So I just saw the start of the Japanese's invasion, and I something I noticed was that the invaders carried huge stacks of bamboo tied together, and they seemed to be using it as a shield of some sorts.
Also, Konishi's banner looks a little different from what I remember. What exactly is that crest anyway?
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Post by truth on Mar 30, 2015 14:16:11 GMT -5
So I just saw the start of the Japanese's invasion, and I something I noticed was that the invaders carried huge stacks of bamboo tied together, and they seemed to be using it as a shield of some sorts. Also, Konishi's banner looks a little different from what I remember. What exactly is that crest anyway? It's the right banner. www.samurai-archives.com/mon.htmlKonishi's flag is #12, which is exactly the same banner used on Jingbirok. IYSS is the one that got it wrong.
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Post by sageuk on Mar 30, 2015 16:20:47 GMT -5
^What about those bamboo stacks then? They supposed to be shields?
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Post by truth on Mar 30, 2015 19:14:20 GMT -5
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Post by truth on Apr 5, 2015 22:36:40 GMT -5
So I just saw the start of the Japanese's invasion, and I something I noticed was that the invaders carried huge stacks of bamboo tied together, and they seemed to be using it as a shield of some sorts. Also, Konishi's banner looks a little different from what I remember. What exactly is that crest anyway? Just watched this scene from IYSS and the same banner is actually in IYSS as well. They just got rid of the other flags in Jingbirok.
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Post by simisteve on Apr 6, 2015 23:03:05 GMT -5
I've gotta ask a question that's driving me crazy. We've seen (LA is up to season 8 BTW), at a few times in the series that Goverment Communications from Joseon is in Chinese. While I guess I can see it from a diplomatic viewpoint ( Hangul was the 'peoples means of writing' I guess), why are posters/handbills being printed in Chinese???
What happened to Hangul?
-Steve
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Post by ajk on Apr 7, 2015 11:48:06 GMT -5
truth can give you a much more complete answer, no doubt...but I do know that Hangul wasn't used for any sort of official documents for a very long time--I think not until the 19th century. The elites hated the idea of it from the very beginning and resisted it like crazy (we saw some of that in GKS)...and then there was one later king who even outlawed it for a while. I don't think enough people knew it well enough by Seonjo's time that it would have been effective, even if the documents had used it.
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Post by MTR on Apr 7, 2015 18:00:47 GMT -5
So I just saw the start of the Japanese's invasion, and I something I noticed was that the invaders carried huge stacks of bamboo tied together, and they seemed to be using it as a shield of some sorts. Also, Konishi's banner looks a little different from what I remember. What exactly is that crest anyway? Just watched this scene from IYSS and the same banner is actually in IYSS as well. They just got rid of the other flags in Jingbirok. Konishi did have a cross banner in the Imjin War according to the Hawley book, and here is his family crest, in fact any family crest can be found here www.samurai-archives.com/crest3.html. That wavy banner in the clip i could not figure out,closest would be Murakami . Just to avoid confusion the banners and crests would be on differing flags,as a banner was usually a moto or symbol.
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Post by truth on Apr 7, 2015 22:38:54 GMT -5
Just watched this scene from IYSS and the same banner is actually in IYSS as well. They just got rid of the other flags in Jingbirok. Konishi did have a cross banner in the Imjin War according to the Hawley book, and here is his family crest, in fact any family crest can be found here www.samurai-archives.com/crest3.html. That wavy banner in the clip i could not figure out,closest would be Murakami . Just to avoid confusion the banners and crests would be on differing flags,as a banner was usually a moto or symbol. That's not what I read on Korean sources. Cross banner was used by Arima Harunobu, the other Christian lord in his unit, but not him. Here's a list of flags used during the Imjin War. gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=jing&no=109221st Unit of Japan 1. Konishi Yukinaga 2. So Yoshitoshi 3. Matsura Shigenobu 4. Arima Harunobu 5. Omura Yoshiaki 6. Goto Sumiharu The wavy banner was used, but you can't find any banner that has a red cross like the flag of England and the other banner with a cross was used by Arima Harunobu, not Konishi.
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Post by sageuk on Apr 9, 2015 11:14:46 GMT -5
I'm currently looking at Hwaley's Imjin War book about the Christian samurais, and regarding the banners, it quotes
Speaking of Konishi, I wonder if we'll ever see that Korean girl he adopts.
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Post by MTR on Apr 11, 2015 12:05:05 GMT -5
Thanks Truth that clears things up on the banners.
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Post by sageuk on May 28, 2015 14:24:01 GMT -5
I just remembered. Have the Japanese been collecting ears and noses yet in this drama?
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