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Post by truth on Feb 7, 2019 15:37:40 GMT -5
I've never seen the series available online with English subs but I'll watch for it. Not planning on doing a fusion historical here but that one has a significant piece of folklore in it so if we ever do one, who knows. I don't recommend this drama if you're looking for historical facts or planning to watch Dong Yi. I don't remember this drama having much history in it since the premise of the drama is based on a folklore. As for the reason why you shouldn't watch it if you are planning to watch Dong Yi, the drama has almost the same characters just with different names and almost the same story pattern as Dong Yi or all of Lee Byeonghun(director)'s historicals. Some actors appear in both dramas or all of Lee Byeonghun's dramas playing characters with almost exact same personalities they played before. Although legtimacy of King Mu living as a peasant before becoming king was questioned by many historians, it was widely assumed that King Mu's queen was a Shilla princess because of the folklore until an artifact that describes King Mu's queen as the daughter of Sataek Jeokdeok was discovered in 2009. Sataek clan was one of the 8 main nobility clans of Baekjae. Due to the discovery of this artifact, it is now assumed that Princess Seonhwa, the Shilla princess from the folklore, was probably not a real person. This makes more sense, because King Mu attacked Shilla many times during his reign and he wouldn't have attacked Shilla if he actually was married to a daughter of Shilla king. King Mu's son Uija attacked Shilla even more than his father did and it would mean that he attacked his aunt(Queen Seondeok) if his mom was a Shilla princess. The artifact discovered in 2009 that describes King Mu's queen as the daughter of Baekje noble Sataek Jeokdeok. The biggest historical distortion of this drama is that King Mu is the son of King Wideok in this drama and is kicked out of palace by Wideok's evil nephew King Beop, King Mu returns to the palace to fight King Beop and take his rightful place as king, but King Mu was actually King Beop's son in history lol.
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Post by ajk on Feb 9, 2019 2:44:29 GMT -5
Great post, thanks for it. Can you imagine being an archeologist and finding something that completely overturned something that had been unclear and even misunderstood for over 1000 years? It would make your entire professional life worthwhile just from this one thing.
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Post by MTR on Feb 9, 2019 15:43:38 GMT -5
I only saw about 5 or 6 episodes of Ballad Of Seodong, i did like what i saw, nothing really to add to what Truth already said. I really appreciate Truth's historical background info. This is almost impossible to find with subtitles, it was released as a legit all-region box set,but from what i remember it was really expensive over 200 dollars. Subtitled versions have popped up on youtube, but they do not seem to last long. Not the late Dramafever, but many other Drama sites had it with subs, but like youtube, they did not last. It did have a good soundtrack at least. For myself, despite the regurgitated storyline, the appeal was the time period, and Truth can probably fill this in, it did seem to have a downbeat ending (i may have this confused with something else, it's been a while ) . Thought i found a link to watch this, but they were from the long-defunct AZN streaming service, of course, the streams were all broken. This is the theme i remember most from this drama, it stuck in my head for years. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnovxcYcZHs
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Post by truth on Feb 10, 2019 10:42:20 GMT -5
Great post, thanks for it. Can you imagine being an archeologist and finding something that completely overturned something that had been unclear and even misunderstood for over 1000 years? It would make your entire professional life worthwhile just from this one thing. There is zero information about King Mu's queen on History of the Three Kingdoms, the history book on Three Kingdoms era published in 1145. The folktale of King Mu living as peasant and marrying a Shilla princess is from the book Memorabilia of the Three Kingdoms(1281), which is a collection of folktales and legends from the Three Kingdoms era. King Mu lived about 600 years before this book was published, so even people who lived 800 years ago had no clue on who the real queen was like us and had to rely on some folktale that was passed down orally through generations. Misunderstood for 800 years through the only remaining folktale book about the time and about 500 years before that, so over 1000 years as you said. Amazing find indeed. This theme is basically a no lyrics version of the song I posted in the last page.
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Post by MTR on May 22, 2019 21:45:56 GMT -5
More add ons
Different Dreams (2019) occupation , 1930's , starring Lee Yo Won . MBC 40 Episodes
Oh Heaven (1998) MBC , Sado and the grain box .
Women Of Joseon 1981 (Don't know the network, or ep count ), different Joseon femme fatale or heroine every week .
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Post by ajk on May 23, 2019 2:02:16 GMT -5
Thanks for these. Different Dreams was originally announced for 12 so the 40 is a good correction.
Oh Heaven, did you happen to come across an episode count for that one? That's one of those annoying orange-font unknowns in the timeline. (I'd be very interested in seeing that one because Sado is played by a young Jung Bo Suk who played King Gongmin so incredibly well in Shin Don.)
The Women of Joseon thing--there were three separate series that MBC ran between 1981 and 1983 and I have them in the timeline as part of a "Women's History" series. I wonder if that's the same thing. Haven't found much info online about it but I'll keep my eyes open.
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Post by MTR on May 29, 2019 18:50:48 GMT -5
Sorry AKJ, all the info i found i posted . Its a shame the info out there is so obscure .
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Post by ajk on May 31, 2019 20:54:32 GMT -5
Yeah I agree completely. This is such a wonderful genre of television and the networks don't even seem to care. I was thinking that maybe the digital conversion issue is keeping some of these old series from being put online for streaming. But does it really cost that much to do it? Heck there are cable networks here in the US that are digitally converting old game show episodes. And nobody in South Korea wants to convert historicals? Just don't get it.
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Post by truth on Oct 14, 2019 21:00:28 GMT -5
SBS Ballad of Seodong(2005) was a fusion and I wouldn't watch it if it aired today with my current standard of historicals, but this one was ok at the time as one of the early fusion historicals. Looking back now it has the same "born of royal blood but becomes a low class peasant as a baby due to a evil scheme, comes back as adult to take the rightful place as king" cliche that I really hate, but this was one of the earlier ones and I was ok with it until the bombardment of fusion historicals with the same cliche came along. It's the only Lee Byeonghun drama that I watched as this guy uses the same cliche for all of his historicals. Although King Mu living as a peasant and marrying a Shilla princess in this drama is based on a folklore, most historians doubt the legitimacy of the folklore. This song is probably the only positive part about the drama. The song is based on the song "Ballad of Seodong" from the folklore, which the title of this drama is based on. We don't know how the original song sounded like, so this song pretty much got stuck in my head as the original song. Choi Jilli, a.k.a Sulli, actress and Kpop idol who played child Princess Seonhwa in this drama has committed suicide today in Korea. Rest in Peace Choi Jilli as child Princess Seonhwa(2005) 2019 picture
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Post by ajk on Oct 15, 2019 15:47:25 GMT -5
This is turning into a very sad and ugly story. Sounds like she had needed mental health treatment but never got it, or at least not enough of it.
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Post by mugwump on Oct 16, 2019 16:38:46 GMT -5
Very sad indeed. I've been watching the show "Night of Hate Comments" that she was co-hosting. She was very good, very dynamic. And very put-upon, apparently.
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Post by ajk on Jan 10, 2020 4:06:32 GMT -5
Okay so I'm in the process of updating the timeline to cover the 2019 dramas. Here's what I've added:
JTBC - Flower Crew: Joseon Marriage Agency JTBC - My Country
KBS - The Tale of Nokdu
MBC - A Different Dream MBC - Rookie Historian Gu Haeryeong
Netflix - Kingdom
SBS - Nokdu Flower SBS - Haechi
TV Chosun - Joseon Survival (time-travel) TV Chosun - Selection: The War Between Women
tvN - Arthdal Chronicles tvN - The Crowned Clown
I've placed them all as accurately as possible, although a few of them are vague about the time period so I just did the best I could. If anybody knows of any other 2019 historicals that I missed, please let me know and I'll get them in right away. Can't find anything more on the Kim Yushin drama that was announced for late 2019 so it's still in the incomplete info/upcoming section.
And my annual deep bow towards truth for being generous with his time and posting good info about upcoming dramas. This timeline has turned into a very helpful resource for English-speakers and it would be a heck of a lot harder to keep current without truth keeping us posted about new shows...so thank you sir, much appreciated!
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Post by ajk on Feb 8, 2021 0:34:42 GMT -5
Just copying this over from the upcoming-series thread. Here's what I'm adding to the timeline for 2020, along with early available information for 2021.
Queen Cheorin / Mr. Queen (tvN 2020-2021, 20 episodes) ---Soul of a 2020 man gets trapped in Queen Cheorin's body (King Cheoljeong reign, 1849-1864)
Wind, Clouds and Rain (KBS 1989, 50 episodes): 1860s ---Physiognomist (face reader) aids King Gojong’s rise to the throne; based on novel published in Chosun Ilbo
King Maker: The Change of Destiny / Wind and Cloud and Rain (TV Chosun 2020, 21 episodes): 1860s ---Remake of 1989 KBS drama; main character is a fortune-teller (fictional character)
Royal Secret Agent (KBS 2020-2021, 16 episodes): later Joseon era ---Fictional comedy/detective story about investigating public corruption
incomplete information – listing temporarily at end
Stealing Destiny / Bossam: Steal the Fate (MBN 2021, ?? episodes): 1608-1623 ---Fictional Main character kidnaps a princess by mistake; King Gwanghae years
The Red Sleeve Cuff (MBC 2021, ?? episodes): 1770s-1780s ---Fusion/romance between King Jeongjo and Consort Ui
Hong Cheongi (SBS 2021, ?? episodes): 1430s-1440s ---Fictional love triangle between Prince Anpyeong (King Sejong’s third son), Hong Cheongi (artist working for the government), and a fictional meteorologist
Joseon Exorcist (SBS 2021, ?? episodes) – early 1400s ---King Taejong fighting zombies and an evil spirit
Yearning (KBS 2021, ?? episodes): 1455-1468 ---Love story of a princess who grows up as a cross-dressed prince under King Sejo
River Where The Moon Rises (KBS 2021, ?? episodes): late 6th century ---Love Story between Princess Pyeonggang and On Dal
Tale of the Secret Royal Inspector and Jo Yi (tvN 2021, 16 episodes): ?? ---Fictional comedy/detective story about investigating public corruption
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Post by MTR on Nov 11, 2021 18:12:50 GMT -5
I got through about 20 episodes of Ballad Of Seodon, its awful . Its a fusion drama its easily the worst thing LBH has done .I do not care for Lee Bo Young either, the sets look really cheap and low budget . It makes Dong Yi look like Squid Game in comparison .
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Post by ajk on Feb 20, 2022 14:14:39 GMT -5
Finally got around to compiling this...Here's what I'm going to add to the timeline for 2021 historicals, and adding to the "incomplete/coming" section for upcoming announced series. If anybody sees any mistakes or problems please let me know so I can make corrections.
Stealing Destiny / Bossam: Steal the Fate (MBN 2021, 20 episodes): 1608-1623 ---Fictional main character kidnaps a princess by mistake; King Gwanghae years
The Red Sleeve (MBC 2021-2022, 17 episodes): 1770s-1780s ---Fusion/romance between King Jeongjo and Consort Ui
Hong Cheongi / Lovers of the Red Sky (SBS 2021, 16 episodes): 1430s-1440s ---Fictional love triangle between Prince Anpyeong (King Sejong’s third son), Hong Cheongi (government-employed artist), and a fictional meteorologist
Joseon Exorcist (SBS 2021, 16 episodes, cancelled after episode 2): early 1400s ---King Taejong and Prince Choongnyeong fighting zombies and an evil spirit
River Where the Moon Rises (KBS 2021, 20 episodes): late 6th century ---Love Story between Princess Pyeonggang and On Dal
Secret Royal Inspector & Joyi (tvN 2021, 16 episodes): Joseon dynasty ---Fictional comedy/detective story about investigating public corruption
Moonshine / Reminder of Moon When Flower Blooms (KBS 2021-2022, 16 episodes): King Yeongjo, mid-1700s ---Fictional romance between alcoholic beverage maker and prohibition inspector
The King’s Affection (KBS 2021, 20 episodes): 1455-1468, King Sejo ---Love story of a princess who grows up as a cross-dressing prince
The King of Tears, Lee Bangwon: (KBS 2021-2022, 32 episodes): 1388 - 1418 ---Rise to power of Prince Bangwon / King Taejong
INCOMPLETE NOTES ON UPCOMING SERIES
The Annals of Hairpin (tvN 2022, ?? episodes): Joseon Dynasty ---Fictional love story between a crown prince and an intelligent girl who is falsely accused of murder
Red Heart / Red Single Heart (KBS 2022, ?? episodes): Joseon Dynasty --Fictional political battle between a king and the minister who enthroned him
Umbrella (tvN 2022, 16 episodes?): Joseon Dynasty --Fictional comedy/drama about queen educating her children to qualify for the crown prince position
Hong Beomdo: Hymn of Gun / Age of Passion (Partisan) (? 2022, ?? episodes): 1910 - 1943 ---General Hong Beom Do of the Korean Independence Movement
The Queen of Joseon (?? 2022-2023, 100 episodes): Joseon Dynasty ---announced as" the great kings of Joseon were all men, but it was women who ruled the men”
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