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Post by mugwump on Oct 12, 2009 16:51:48 GMT -5
If they do keep extending it, I'm not sure whether we should be thrilled or worried. This show has been so compact and well-written so far, I wouldn't want it to start meandering and getting padded to fill out the extra episodes. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
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Post by pilseung on Oct 13, 2009 6:59:27 GMT -5
Re Epi 41. This drama's storyline is unpredictable.This makes great viewing to me. Chunchu managed to memorise the whole 3 kingdoms book in a previous episode.With that kind of photographic memory,he just didn't seem as slow as he tries to make people believe.Now he's even fooled Mishil.I don't know how it'll happen,but if it turns out that he eventually joins forces with his aunt,Mishil will be attacked on two fronts.Wow! That'll be some battle. Ho Ho...onward we go.
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 13, 2009 18:36:09 GMT -5
If they do keep extending it, I'm not sure whether we should be thrilled or worried. This show has been so compact and well-written so far, I wouldn't want it to start meandering and getting padded to fill out the extra episodes. Let's keep our fingers crossed. I agree mugwump. I wouldn't want it to lose momentum and get boring with useless filler either. I had a feeling Chunchu was memorizing each page because he remembered the order of the pages after Bidam made him unfold them.
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Post by chuck on Oct 13, 2009 21:58:23 GMT -5
Well, Chunchu's whisper in Deokman's ear was the first friendly gesture he's made towards her. I have to say everyone was awfully slow in the uptake in this episode. Mishil was obviously caught off guard by Chunchu, not manipulating him as she had thought, and everyone else thought.
But, I find it hard to believe Songwal (is that the name of Bojong's father?) will abandon Mishil for Chunchu. He seems to really be devoted to Mishil. The way he says "Saeju" sounds much more sincere, even tender, compared to how others say it.
Mishil seems to be trying to reclaim the son she once abandoned, now that her other schemes have gone astray . . .
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 14, 2009 20:09:23 GMT -5
Episodes 41 & 42
It seems Chunchu caught everyone off guard chuck. I agree, Lord Seolwon is totally devoted and loves Saeju very much. I had goosebumps watching the events unfold. You never know what's going to happen. Deokman shocked everyone with her statement of becoming the King but Chunchu really turned things upside down.These two episodes should have been titled Battle of Wits and Disorder in the Court. Who would have thought he was the one that kidnapped Boryang? He caused so much suspicion and commotion. I did enjoy the division he caused in the enemy camp though. It seems we now have three very formidable opponents.
What in the world did Jukbang say to Chunchu that gave him the idea for his plan?
I didn't like that little family outing with Mishil and Bidam. Chilsuk didn't look too thrilled either. Is it just me or did Bidam seem as if he was longing to be acknowledged and loved by his mother? That can't be good. The dialogue between them was fully loaded though. They revealed a lot to each other whether they realized it or not. How should we interpret both of them saying "It's me"? (Both wanting the throne?) I hope the drama ends with Deokman becoming the King. I really don't want to see Bidam betray her.
In a way I'm glad Chunchu got knocked down a peg at the end of the episode. He thought he had it all figured out. His plan was very clever but now Mishil's dream isn't to be Queen but the King.
I was wondering how Chunchu was able to forgive Dae Nambo so easily for killing his mother. Everything he did had a motive behind it. If only he would have used his wiles to help Deokman but now he's emboldened Mishil.
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Post by chuck on Oct 14, 2009 22:37:34 GMT -5
When Chunchu denounced the bone ranking system, the first thing I thought of was "Then what's to stop Mishil from being King?" She had always bemoaned the fact that she wasn't saengol (if that's the term). Now, thanks to Chinchilla, it doesn't matter. But if she became the King, what does that make her husband, the First Lady? Or will he have to be knocked off?
I did get the feeling when Bidam said "It's me," that he was wanting to be King. If not that, then at least the one who unifies the three kingdoms.
I'm trying to remember, does anyone but Bidam, that merchant friend, and presumably Chunchu, know about Munno's death? Didn't Bidam just say he went off on his own again? And if so, why would Chunchu keep it secret?
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Post by mugwump on Oct 15, 2009 18:57:21 GMT -5
Geez, Mishil goes out for a stroll and her boys get all hormonal. Why can't they all just play nicely? When I see all those Hwarangs assembled I always think of boy scout troops.
I had to watch 42 a couple of times to try to get it all straight. I'm still not exactly sure how much Chunchu thought he had accomplished. Certainly he got Mishil to advance him as a candidate for king, and he succeeded in setting her men at each other's throats. And, oh yeah, he got himself a bride. But surely he wasn't so naive as to think he had destroyed Mishil's power so easily? This would only have been one battle won (as Deokman has discovered).
I'm glad he got the smirk wiped off his face; but on the other hand I really liked the way he scared the living daylights out of Maesung by revealing that he really hasn't forgotten who was responsible for his mother's death, and he intends to exact payment.
At first back in Ep 41 I thought Yushin had figured out that Mishil was going to try to become king herself, but he gets points for guessing that Chunchu was pulling the strings. Anyway, Deokman figured it out in 42. So will Chunchu join her in fighting Mishil? The race for succession is wide open now.
Interesting that if the king dies without naming a successor, the Prime Minister gets to become king. In an earlier episode Mishil and her men had been talking about making Sejong king, and I couldn't figure out how that was possible, since he didn't seem to belong to the royal family. But that would explain it.
Terrific scenes between Mishil andd Bidam. He hates her guts, but at the same time he craves her love and approval. And she seems to have genuine regrets about abandoning him. Still I wonder if each was less than 100% sincere in their conversation.
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 15, 2009 20:40:14 GMT -5
But if she became the King, what does that make her husband, the First Lady? Or will he have to be knocked off? DEAD?! ;D Yes, I think Bidam, Chunchu and the killer merchant are the only ones that know about Munno's death. I wonder if anyone will discover the truth or even try to find out where he's gone. It would be sad if he was just forgotten. He was like Yoda. Besides the fact that Mishil and Bidam both would love to be the King, (it may be a stretch) but another explanation for the "It's me" dialogue could be Mishil and Bidam were throwing hints at each other. I'm your mother, I'm your son. They don't know the other one knows, right? It was hard to tell how sincere they were. Bidam can be just as deceptive as his mother. Was he enjoying those stories about his master Munno as much as he seemed or was it an act? I'll have to watch that scene again. I'm not sure mugwump. Maybe Chunchu did think he had won completely or at least he hoped. He did a pretty darn good job of causing chaos. Deokman on the other hand has dealt with Mishil on many occasions and doesn't underestimate her. I can't see Chunchu giving up. He has to have other plans up his sleeve. Mishil won't stand a chance if these two join forces. I loved the way Mishil's minions were thrown into a frenzy by Chunchu's actions. As soon as momma hen isn't around they don't know what to do. They had hoped the royal house would be divided by Deokman and Chunchu fighting each other. Instead it backfired and the hwarangs were scrambling about taking up defensive positions and taking hostages. ;D I agree. Maesung was probably played the most. ;D I thought he was one of the smarter ones. I wonder what the payment will be? Chunchu does need people backing him in his fight for the throne. Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants if Maesung has to go against his sister? The suspense was killing me every time they interrupted what Yushin was saying. Turns out he's very clever too. The King better not die before naming a successor.
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Post by mugwump on Oct 17, 2009 20:23:44 GMT -5
Does Chunchu know that Munno is dead and he's responsible? I'm not so sure, but I don't remember that episode too well. I thought the merchant acted alone to get the book for Chunchu. Chunchu may not even have known the book existed beforehand.
Do Mishil and Bidam each know that the other knows? I think they do, at least from the way Mishil was taunting him earlier, it seemed that way. But I could be wrong about this too.
If the Haebek (sp?) Council picks the king, then Mishil seems a shoo-in since she has most members in her pocket. So I'm really curious as to how she's going to lose out and Deokman gets selected. The death of the king seems imminent.
Given the way people/events from the past keep popping up again, I'm surprised that the minister who got fired after Cheungmyung's death hasn't been called back by the king. The good guys could use another minister in their corner.
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Post by griffin on Oct 19, 2009 7:00:06 GMT -5
I caught up recently on this series via MySoju and Vikii. Interesting twists and plots. 43 & 44 ought to be up pretty soon. Can't possibly think of what Mishil will do. Civil war? Forced abdication? Hold the royal family hostage?
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 20, 2009 19:17:28 GMT -5
I'm glad we're all on the same episode now. Episode 43Another great episode! I felt so sorry for Chunchu. Was he shocked at Mishil's revelation or the scope of her callousness? If he knew Dae Nambo killed his mother, how could he not know Mishil was behind it? I guess that's what finally got through to him to join forces with Deokman. Finally. He and Deokman will make a formidable team, along with the Hwarang that are on her side. The tax reform was a great idea, unfortunately Mishil won that skirmish. I wouldn't want to be Yushin's mother having the job of food tester. Deokman and Mishil always seem to be able to counter each other's moves. Brilliant. I kind of felt bad for Chilsuk too. He didn't look happy over Mishil's decision to be the king but he has no family or home to speak of. I wonder if he had Sohwa's love if he would desert Mishil. Looks like we're going to have some fighting in the next episode. It has been awhile.
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Post by chuck on Oct 20, 2009 21:39:07 GMT -5
I'm glad we're all on the same episode now. Episode 43Another great episode! I felt so sorry for Chunchu. Was he shocked at Mishil's revelation or the scope of her callousness? If he knew Dae Nambo killed his mother, how could he not know Mishil was behind it? I guess that's what finally got through to him to join forces with Deokman. Finally. He and Deokman will make a formidable team, along with the Hwarang that are on her side. The tax reform was a great idea, unfortunately Mishil won that skirmish. I wouldn't want to be Yushin's mother having the job of food tester. Deokman and Mishil always seem to be able to counter each other's moves. Brilliant. I kind of felt bad for Chilsuk too. He didn't look happy over Mishil's decision to be the king but he has no family or home to speak of. I wonder if he had Sohwa's love if he would desert Mishil. Looks like we're going to have some fighting in the next episode. It has been awhile. Actually, Princess Cheongmyeong's death was one of the few that Mishil was not behind. It was her brother Maeseng, and the head Priestess, who concocted that scheme, and Mishil killed the priestess---and nearly her brother---because of it. Of course they intended to kill Deokman, and got the wrong Princess. However, it served Mishil's purpose in trying to intimidate Chinchilla to take credit for it herself. I do think Chinchilla's reaction was a bit too weak. He's faced Mishil before without a hint of fear. He should at least have put up a better poker face. I was surprised to hear Deokman say to Chunchu that she couldn't trust anyone, so they had to join forces and start together. Does she not trust Yushin? What's a guy gotta do to gain her trust, anyway? I was wondering what Deokman would do after the unanimous vote gambit the Hwaebak council pulled. And she did exactly the right thing, calling for a change of form to majority rule in the council, thereby exposing, in spite of themselves, who was for the tax reform, and who against.She likes to hold tricks like that up her sleeve, without telling her allies ahead of time.
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Post by pilseung on Oct 21, 2009 10:18:37 GMT -5
She likes to hold tricks like that up her sleeve, without telling her allies ahead of time. You could be right that she does that.However,I would suggest that as she was famous for her intelligence and wit,she actually came up with the change of rule off the top of her head. Episode 44 was fantastic.The whole coup d'etats issue seems so hopeless for Deokman and her people.However,this drama is being written by DJG's writer.So,it'll be of the same style where DJG used to come up against impossible situations and somehow her intelligence or fortune or BOTH would always save the day! So let us,the viewers,ride this wave/cycle once again.That is,feel lots of stress for the good guys because of all the underhanded tactics used by the bad 'uns.Followed by the immense relief once the problems are overcome!! Hey...that's what Kdrama does alot.
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Post by chuck on Oct 21, 2009 21:07:16 GMT -5
Well, I certainly wasn't expecting a beer hall putsch from the likes of Mishil. It has all the elegance and intellectual nuance of an Adolph Hitler. And Chilsuk---has lost all respect I had for him. I wonder if the Daedung was actually killed? Mishil certainly doesn't need him anymore.
So how is Deokman going to extricate herself from this situation? 5,000 soldiers are marching in and she has no comparable force available to counter them. The only wildcard left is Bidam, who I assume will be untied by the merchant asap. Will Bidam somehow convince the leader of the 5,000 to switch sides at the last moment?
I guess we'll have to stay tuned to the same Bat-Channel for next week's exciting episode to find out.
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 22, 2009 23:48:08 GMT -5
I found Deokman's statement of not being able to trust anyone odd too. Surely she could trust Yushin and Alcheon. They've always stood loyally at her side.
Wow, Mishil and her minions pulled out all the stops. It's like the floodgates were opened and they came from all sides. I don't think Deokman and Chunchu could have anticipated the multiple plots set in motion this time. Bidam seems to know how his mother's mind works now. Once he's untied, I can't imagine how much he'll be able to help unless he's got an army nearby.
Lord Sejong shouldn't be dead if Chilsuk's instructions were followed. Whether he's dead or not, it's too late. Even the Hwarangs were fighting against each other which Yushin didn't want. I don't feel any pity for Mishil. She had a man that loved her deeply and she loved him too, but power was all she really wanted since she was young. She already said she'd get rid of the Hwabaek Council when the time is right. I believe her reason to do away with the Council is so she would have absolute power. Everyone is just a pawn to her as long as they're useful.
Wasn't that DaeNambo that shot the arrow?
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