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Post by MTR on May 22, 2019 21:29:43 GMT -5
Arthdal starts on Nerflix from June 1st.
There is a new streaming service called Kokowa, i watched the free trial so
Scholar Who Walks By Night Rubbish
Different Dreams, more occupation dramatics with Lee Yo Won ....Pretty Bad
Secret Door , ok but could have been better
The Kings Face waste of time
Haechi Best of the bunch, its basically Yi San, without the romance angle (well there is some romance, but its mainly plots and counter plots )
Of course i did not watch every episode, of every drama, i only had seven days, Haechi was the only one i watched from beginning to end .
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Post by ajk on May 23, 2019 1:46:05 GMT -5
Bird checked out Kocowa a while back; she wasn't all that thrilled with it either. The list of dramas they had when it was launched, it was a pretty meager list, especially historical stuff.
Three questions for you:
1. Do you have to pay to watch everything on that site? Or just to get rid of the commercials like DramaFever did. I see you have to sign up to watch but the site doesn't tell you anything about pay/no-pay.
2. That Arthdal series, it's not really a historical is it? Just checking because I didn't add it to the timeline and assumed it didn't belong in it.
3. Did you like Haechi enough to recommend that we watch it here in the forum? I was going to do Emperor Wang Guhn after Geunchogo ended but a new, current series might be nice--if it's good and if it's accessible on that website without paying.
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Post by truth on May 23, 2019 8:25:55 GMT -5
3. Did you like Haechi enough to recommend that we watch it here in the forum? I was going to do Emperor Wang Guhn after Geunchogo ended but a new, current series might be nice--if it's good and if it's accessible on that website without paying. Historical distortion in that drama is very bad so just keep in mind that the drama is not historically accurate if you do watch it. I don't understand why they put so much fiction and change historical facts when they have so much written history remaining for Joseon compared to Three Kingdoms or Goryeo.
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Post by bird11 on May 23, 2019 17:32:24 GMT -5
Just wanted to jump in here and give my opinion on KOCOWA-- at first I was able to watch some dramas with comercials, I mainly was watching "Return of Superman" (variety show where dads watch their kids and see sites around Korea)....and a drama The Producers.Then one day I was unable to watch The Producers, so I emailed KOCOWA and they were able to fix the "problem" and I finished the drama. Shortly after that, they locked all of the "Return oF Superman" shows. I emailed them again and was told that I would be able to watch the episodes online within 24 hrs before they are locked unless you are a paying member. I tried for many weeks to watch the show-- I would see it dropped onto their website on Sunday afternoon or evening and never saw any English subs. so I gave up. I don't mind watching the shows with commercials and feel that I should have the option to do that without being a paying member. I did this with DramaFever for many years until I felt I was watching enough to want to pay. I was able to find "Return" on KBS with Comcast every Monday night and set the VCR for 2 hours to catch the whole hour and half show. Comcast even offers KOCOWA-- but you still need to pay! Really? I already give Comcast a good chunk of change, why should I pay to see KOCOWA..... I am currently watching a drama on VIKI without paying, may consider being a paying member, but as far as KOCOWA goes, I don't feel they deserve my money, they are listed on VIKI so may I use them in the future--- but not at this time...... (thanks for letting me vent!)
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Post by ajk on May 24, 2019 16:20:28 GMT -5
If Haechi is that badly distorted then we'll avoid it...I appreciate the warning.
bird thanks for the feedback--I remember you trying it and not being too thrilled; it's good to know the details. Definitely Kocowa has been a big disappointment so far. Considering it's the networks themselves who own it, there's no excuse for the weak library of series they offer. So very many series still not available after all this time. And considering how successful DramaFever was, you'd think that they would stick as closely to the DF model as they could. Whoever is in charge of the thing just isn't doing a very good job.
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Post by truth on May 25, 2019 11:19:21 GMT -5
If Haechi is that badly distorted then we'll avoid it...I appreciate the warning. King Geunchogo is badly distorted too so there's nothing wrong watching a badly distorted drama, but I was just letting you know what you watch is nothing like the real history beforehand. Haechi is a SBS drama and usually anything not KBS is gonna be all badly distorted fusion dramas. Not to say KBS is always historically accurate as they have their failures such as Geunchogo but they are usually known for more historically accurate historicals such as Jeong Dojeon. I've already posted my complaints about Haechi few months ago on this thread. SBS Haechi(Early 2019) Writer : Kim Yiyoung(MBC Yi San, MBC Dong Yi, MBC Horse Doctor) Director : Lee Yongseok(SBS The Great Seer) Time period : King Sukjong of Joseon Dynasty Synopsis : Prince Yeonying(a.k.a King Youngjo) overcoming all odds to become king. The title "Haechi" refers to a mythical Asian animal more commonly known as Haetae in Korean and Xiezhi in Chinese. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiezhi This drama just began in Korea on Monday, so I watched few clips of this drama on Youtube. Cons 1. Characters talk like they're 21st century people 2. Main villain that young King Youngjo has to fight against in this drama is a fictional character who never existed 3. The Noron faction comes out as the axis of evil in the drama, but they were actually the faction that backed young King Youngjo in history 4. It's like if no class system exists or people don't take it very seriously. Saw a video of peasant girl talking to Prince Yeonying(young King Youngjo) as if she's some girl in 2019 talking to a new guy friend she made in college. Granted, he is keeping his prince identity secret during the scene but is still dressed like a nobleman and a peasant girl would never talk to a noble like that. This scene is especially laughable after watching Kingdom, which had very good representation of Joseon's class hierarchy. How a fantasy drama about zombies(Kingdom) looks like a more legitimate historical than a drama about real people is beyond me. 5. Looks like Park Munsu is going to become Prince Yeonying's blood brother according to the trailer, which never happened in history. 6. Fictional love story with a fictional character named Yeoji although they might turn her into Crown Prince Sado's mom later on. Pros : N/A SBS apparently claims this is a "traditional" historical. My response : No, it's a fusion.
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Post by ajk on May 25, 2019 21:31:40 GMT -5
That's right, I forgot--I remember laughing about #1 when you posted it.
I would be more bothered by distortion in a Joseon-era series because as you said, there's so much more documentation about that time and so much more is known and available as story material. I was prepared for fiction in KG just because so much less is known about the 4th century. But the way the KG writers disregarded so much of what little is available, it's understandable why people would be so aggravated about that. Seems totally unnecessary too.
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Post by truth on May 25, 2019 23:52:57 GMT -5
KBS Righteous Army: The Age of Blue Hero(Late 2019) Director : Choi Jiyoung(Producer of KBS Slave Hunters) Time period : Emperor Gojong of Korean Empire This drama covers the life of Ahn Junggeun, a Korean independence activist en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Jung-geun This drama has been scrapped off.
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Post by MTR on May 29, 2019 18:45:43 GMT -5
I did not have any problem's with Kocowa, but its library is small, not enough to warrant a subscription .
Haechi was decent, but if you have seen Yi San, you have seen Haechi, one improvement is very little romantic subplots, it moves faster then Yi San . As Truth said, the main bad guy is a fictional character, but the rebellion he is involved in was real .Compared to the stuff we have had to endure the past few years, its decent, but the competition is non existent, when compared to Kings Face, Secret Door and other recent historical drama's its really good, but compared to ten years ago, its ok
Id stick with Wang Guhn .
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Post by sageuk on May 29, 2019 19:49:35 GMT -5
Is it the Musin Rebeliion? The plot to overthrow Yeongjo with the rebels claiming that he caused the death of his half-brother?
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Post by truth on Jun 3, 2019 16:32:14 GMT -5
TV Chosun Joseon Survival(2019) Director : Lee Hyeongseon(first historical setting drama) Writer : Kim Solji(first historical setting drama) Time period : King Myeongjeong of Joseon Dynasty Synopsis : A retired archer(modern day western sport athlete) from 2019 time slips to Joseon Dynasty along with his younger sister and his first love, and meets Yim Kkeokjeong, a famous gentlemen thief from King Myeongjeong's era. Kang Jihwan(Hong Gildong in KBS Hong Gildong) has been cast as Han Jeongrok, a retired archer from 2019 who time slips to Joseon era and meets Yim Kkeokjeong Yim Kkeokjeong was basically a Korean version of Robin Hood en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Im_Kkeokjeong Teaser
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Post by ajk on Jun 4, 2019 3:19:05 GMT -5
Do people really like those time-slip shows?
I suppose some people do or they wouldn't keep making them.
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Post by truth on Jun 14, 2019 15:35:29 GMT -5
Ahh what a waste. Its probably hypocritical of me to say I'm not looking forward to this considering I enjoyed Mr. Sunshine, which was a story about fictional characters set during actual hisotrical events, but I prefer mine straight forward. It could be argued that the fall of the Joseon Dynasty and Japan's occupation of Korea has been done alot, so you'll need different POV characters outside of the hisotrical figures to make it stick out. I have not watched this drama yet, but it is closer to a traditional historical than a fusion according to review of first two episodes by a Korean sageuk fan. Despite fictional characters being main characters, the writing puts more focus on Jeon Bongjun according to the review. It looks like Jeong Dojeon's writer had no choice but to follow SBS and Six Flying Dragon director's decision of making fictional characters as main characters, but he still tried as much as possible to make his drama closer to a traditional historical. I have not decided whether I will watch this yet, but it looks like it does try to stick to history as much as possible when the fictional main characters aren't on screen if the review is true. I'm hearing good things about the drama. From what I heard, other than the fictional main character storyline and romance, the drama tries to portray historical events during the time as accurately as possible as expected from Jeong Dojeon's writer. I'm not watching this drama yet but am leaning towards watching it soon. This is the closest thing we have to a traditional historical right now(minus the fictional main characters and romance)
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Post by sageuk on Jun 14, 2019 17:02:37 GMT -5
I hate tumors.
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Post by truth on Jun 14, 2019 21:24:10 GMT -5
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