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Post by TheBo on Apr 5, 2012 11:07:10 GMT -5
@ mugwump--Hah, my turn for a bloomer. I guess putting on makeup isn't "dressing" like a woman. (However, in mitigation for myself, I will say that when I first saw Maya and Sowha discuss it, I thought they meant the hwarang were going to wear women's clothing as well.)
Speaking of the hwarang, that suicide thing was pretty effective, huh. I was a bit confused by the ripping of the strips of clothing, but I think I've seen that before in suicides on these dramas. Probably some symbolic significance?
ajk, that brings up something that I wondered about, but I think it's more appropriate to discuss it in the next episode...
PS - I have been clamoring the heavens for more formal subtitling to historical dramas, and we have them here. No "he's gotta be down with THAT" cr-p--lol. I do appreciate them and thought I should say so.
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Post by mugwump on Apr 5, 2012 17:09:45 GMT -5
Uh-oh, found our first major disappointment in the historical-fact category: King Jinji had a wife. According to his wikipedia entry, his wife was "Lady Jido of the Park clan." So much for that storyline. Ugh. We haven't seen anything to contradict that he had a wife.
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Post by sageuk on Apr 5, 2012 18:20:38 GMT -5
Was it even relevant that his wife wasn't shown? She's not even important to the core story anyway
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Post by ajk on Apr 5, 2012 18:55:26 GMT -5
Well, considering that Mishil went to the then-Prince Geumnyun as soon as Jinheung died and they cut that deal so she'd be named queen, and then seduced him on the spot...and then three years later is still expecting to be named queen, meaning no queen yet...how would an existing wife fit into that? Maybe I'm wrong but I just didn't see how you could play that out with a wife in the picture.
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Post by truth on Apr 5, 2012 22:20:54 GMT -5
Real Jinheung died at the age of 39.
QSD is so full of flaws
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Post by ajk on Apr 6, 2012 13:10:32 GMT -5
I've heard that, truth, and I'm hoping it doesn't get too out of hand. We'll see.
Question for you about a previous post. You had said that the evidence for Mishil's existence was pretty flimsy and that she wasn't mentioned in the two major historical records you cited. Is there any bias in those sources--as in, gender or religious bias--that might have led them to exclude her from the records? The reason I ask is that a similar issue came up during Iron Empress. I don't remember the details but there was some suggestion that some of the information about Cheonchu might have been omitted or spun unfavorably because of the motives of the people who compiled it.
Certainly not trying to discredit those two sources or make excuses for the series. It just seems like a reasonable question to ask--whether or not because Mishil was a woman and/or a concubine and/or went to the Buddhist shrine, some of the compilers of the records might have had motivation to write her out of their finished product. Do you have any opinion or insight about that?
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Post by truth on Apr 6, 2012 14:54:09 GMT -5
I've heard that, truth, and I'm hoping it doesn't get too out of hand. We'll see. Question for you about a previous post. You had said that the evidence for Mishil's existence was pretty flimsy and that she wasn't mentioned in the two major historical records you cited. Is there any bias in those sources--as in, gender or religious bias--that might have led them to exclude her from the records? The reason I ask is that a similar issue came up during Iron Empress. I don't remember the details but there was some suggestion that some of the information about Cheonchu might have been omitted or spun unfavorably because of the motives of the people who compiled it. Certainly not trying to discredit those two sources or make excuses for the series. It just seems like a reasonable question to ask--whether or not because Mishil was a woman and/or a concubine and/or went to the Buddhist shrine, some of the compilers of the records might have had motivation to write her out of their finished product. Do you have any opinion or insight about that? I don't know whether Samguk Sagi and Samguk Yusa have gender bias, but they definitely did not have any religious bias. These books were written during Koryo dynasty and Buddhism was the official religion for both Koryo and Silla. Samguk Yusa was even written by a Buddhist monk. The two records are not the two major historical records, they are the ONLY historical records about the time period still remaining. Mishil only appears in Hwarang Segi, which is not recognized as legitimate historical record by Korean scholars since it is most likely a forged book.
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Post by ajk on Apr 6, 2012 19:59:17 GMT -5
Thanks--appreciate the information, as usual.
A few years ago when GKS was running, I traded a few e-mails with a Korean history professor about an essay he did about Sejong and the Hangul alphabet. I wonder if he'd have anything to add to this Mishil stuff. Maybe as the series continues I'll send him the question and see if he can add anything as far as the gender issue. Don't know if he specializes in stuff this early, though.
One disappointing thing I found out is that there's never been a complete English translation of either of those two sources you mention. A Russian translation, of all things, but nothing in English. I'm surprised.
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Post by TheBo on May 29, 2012 11:38:05 GMT -5
BTW, I checked the first episode and as I thought, Mishil is played by Go Hyun-jung throughout, even in the first scene when she is considerably younger. So I don't know why the cast list shows UEE as "young Mishil" but perhaps she'll appear later.
Bo
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Post by mugwump on May 29, 2012 20:03:25 GMT -5
Yes, a younger actress/version of Mishil will appear later in some backstory.
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Post by TheBo on May 30, 2012 14:27:21 GMT -5
Thanks wumpy.
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