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Post by MTR on Jan 21, 2011 13:49:38 GMT -5
If he was younger Kim Gapsu would be perfect for Hong Takgu ,
Mongols were in a transition period under Khubilai trying to come to grips with the fact scorched earth policy did not work and integrating the conquered was the way to go .Hindu was of the old school Mongol and did not care for the new version so you have a man conflicted between orders and blood lust .
I love your ideas i can just get a perfect visual ,KBS or MBC should hire you to write it .
Read Inoue Yasushi's book The Wind And The Waves ,its a really great novel though well researched about the Mongol Occupation ,It is in English.
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Post by sageuk on Jan 22, 2011 3:15:14 GMT -5
Huh? I thought Genghis Khan integrated the conquered, despite the fact he ordered brutalities in war. Or am I mixed up in sources? Where did you find your source describing Hindu? Looks like I made him a psychopath without truly knowing.
Another quote.
"I remember when I threw my spear and sent my enemy flying in the air, my heart soared"
Heh. Those stations probably wouldn't hire me because of how morbid my ideas are (MBC is more likely to do that considering their historicals are more fantasy like). They would probably try to promote Sambyeolcho for a broad audience, considering its about Koreans fighting against conquerors, and go for freedom fighters dying for their country stereotype, and make the excuse that my morbid ideas would turn off viewers. Besides, there is a statue of Bae Jungson in Jindo Island, where he is probably worshipped. Korean nationalists would take arms and try to hang me for it.
^Just a hypothesis of what could happen. Maybe the stations will accept it, maybe they won't. One could argue you can make a character you can both hate for their actions and love them at the same time.
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Post by MTR on Jan 24, 2011 19:36:13 GMT -5
The drama should start with the fall of the house of Choe'e as the Sambyeochol were formed by the choe's, The last Choe'e is attempting to flee from assassins and try's to climb over a wall but being overweight he gets stuck on the wall and is killed that would make a great opening
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Post by sageuk on Jan 24, 2011 22:27:43 GMT -5
What I had in mind was a narration of the events up to the eve of the rebellion, including both the invasion and internal strife Koryo underwent. Then opens with the Sambyeolcho killing Im Yumu, who is depressed that he is unable to continue Mongol resistance. Bae Jung-son then declares himself leader, Royal Court hears of Im's death, and sends a messenger to disband the Sambyeolcho (some sources I've read say return to the capital). Knowing that Mongol control would jusrt undermine their power, Bae Jung-son chops the messenger's head off, and then the rebellion begins. Or we could disregard the events after Cho'e Ui's death and jump to the rebellion, simplifying it a bit. Because if we include the other struggles, not only would it probably be repetitive, but it would probably just move too slow. Seriously, these forces just never seem to make up their minds when it comes to bosses. They kill Cho'e Ui, though if my boss was a obese idiot I'd want to chop him up as well. then Kim Injun/Jun (IDK) a supporter of pro-Mongol peace, but led by Im Yeon the Sambyeolcho turn on their boss, AGAIN. Im Yeon's son, Im Yumu, then takes over, but lacks the support of the people to continue Mongol resistance. So once again, the Sambyeolcho kill him, convinced by the Royal Court to do so (historically, I'm not entirely sure as to how they convinced them). Seriously, these people are insane. Then again, they did try take on the Mongol Empire. If Kublai was to appear, I know the very Korean actor to play him. The guy who played Yeon Gaesomun in DJY (yeah, I know you dislike that drama, just disregard that and take a look at the actor on the left. Ignore the king on the right). I wouldn't be suprised if this guy was Kublai's reincarnation
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Post by griffin on Jan 27, 2011 7:02:57 GMT -5
Oh my, that is a startling resemblance!
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Post by TheBo on Jan 27, 2011 13:48:29 GMT -5
I agree, sageuk, but actually--I kinda think the guy on the right is a closer match. ;D At first, I thought it was the expression, and that's part of it, but really. It seems exact to me. (And it's not like I can't tell specific Korean people apart. lol.)
Bo
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Post by sageuk on Feb 4, 2011 20:45:39 GMT -5
One more thing to note. I want no romance in Sambyeolcho. No romance. Okay, maybe thats a little too extreme: maybe a little subplot with Wonjong's queen trying comfort him in his anxiety, but since its a military like subject, I find it appropriate that there should be as little women as possible. I'm sorry, but in some cases, romance feels like the cheap way to go (people are probably going to go "But thats the heart of a drama!". If romance is the only thing thats possible in this world, then you might as well lynch me. In my opinion, friendships and brotherhood are alot more powerful, such as Comrades). But we can't have a drama without relationships, can we? How should the relationships between the officers work out?
Bae Jung-son and No Young-hui are good friends in my take; I'm not sure what to do with Kim Tongjong though.
DYC, what say you and my previous posts? Other ideas: Choe U The story of the second military dictator of the Cho'e House who was popular with the people and fought in the invasions of the Khitan and the Mongols.
Gwak Jae-u (there was a movie about him in the 80s but I never saw it-I'm not even sure if its still in print)
Wonhyo They say he was a hwarang who got sick of the battlefield and ultimately became a monk. He was famous for writing commentaries on virtually all of the most influential Mahāyāna scriptures, altogether including over eighty works in over two hundred fascicles. The last drama about a monk I saw was Shin Don, and I couldn't get into it.
I also want to see something about the exile government of Korea during the Japanese occupation.
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Post by MTR on Feb 5, 2011 16:41:11 GMT -5
I am reading WE HENTHORN'S KOREA "THE MONGOL INVASIONS "and wow i do not know where to start and take it all in ,so many heroic deeds ,especially at those sieges of various cities . I would do the whole Mongol Period from their first invasions through heroic stand of the three patrol's (not the end but we already have Sindon MBC 2005)AKA Sambeolcho . I agree No romance all the Kimmy Sue and droolin over Chulin crap still lingers in my mind in a not pleasant way .
Also the book Wind and The Waves by Inoue Yasushi which is pretty much about Hong Takgu and these two fictional brothers on the Koryo side would make a great drama .
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Post by sageuk on Feb 5, 2011 17:45:04 GMT -5
I have a question. What exactly is Hong Takgu like?
I was reading Henthorn's book as well. And the book was overwhelming with information to the point its difficult to write a script word for word. Yeah, I tried to do that. Easier said than done.
And also armor? Did the Koryo wear chainmail of lamellar? Monogols wore lamellar as well? Brigandine? Silk robes?
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Post by MTR on Feb 5, 2011 18:28:01 GMT -5
In the Inoue novel he is bitter towards Koryo even blames them for his fathers demise not the actual Mongol's who killed the man (kicked him to death )so his actions are all about vengance .
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Post by sageuk on Feb 5, 2011 20:16:42 GMT -5
When I looked into history, Hong Tagu's father, Hong Bokwon, was killed by a prince of the Royal family when he was sent as a hostage.
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Post by MTR on Feb 5, 2011 21:55:58 GMT -5
Yes thats in the Inoue book as well .
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Post by sageuk on Feb 21, 2011 20:17:40 GMT -5
I was writing a treatment for Sambyeolcho, and here's the beginning. The original was alot longer and more detailed, and then I realized too many words in a opening crawl can be fatal.
Open with burning villages and galloping Mongol Horsemen, with a bloodstained Buddha statue in the foreground
"On the year of the metal dragon, 1232, the Mongol Empire invaded the kingdom of Koryo as part of their conquest. For decades, the country resisted against the invaders as it suffered massive bloodshed and destruction. But as the years went by, the foundations of Koryo began to crumble, and internal strife developed in the government.
The military, which ruled Koryo through puppet kings, wanted to continue fighting, but the civil ministers of the royal court wanted peace with the Empire. Seeing no other resolution, the Royal Court resorted to assassinations. After years of intense strife, the royal court was finally able to have a treaty with the Empire.
The special forces of the military, however, in opposition to this treaty, seceded from the kingdom and formed their own nation in the southern islands. Led by the Chief of the Elite Patrols, Bae Jungson, the elite army makes their stand against two countries."
If Sambyeolcho was given an alternate title, I'd call it "Rebels of the Southern Islands".
Also, who was more bloodthirsty? Hindu or Jarlairtai? After looking back, it seems that the bloodthirsty monologues I gave Hindu seemed much more appropriate for Jarlairtai.
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Post by MTR on Feb 22, 2011 19:51:54 GMT -5
This would be great . I hope MBC go ahead with this drama someday . more bloodthirsty id say Jarlairtal ,Hindu seems not so enthusiastic about being posted to Koryo to supervise the Invasion of Japan ,(after the dreaded Wa kicked his but all the way back to Koryo in 1281 id imagine he was less enthused ,sure the Divine Wind played some part but they were all ready on the ropes after being unable to secure a landing after 3 months )
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Post by sageuk on Feb 23, 2011 1:16:21 GMT -5
What should we do with Kim Tongjong though? We should feature him as prominent main character as well, considering he takes leadership of the rebellion after Bae Jungson dies. I keep wondering to myself as to what to do with his personality. The best thing I could come up with is that he respects Bae, and carries out his rebellion in honor of him. I first thought of him having a grudge against the Mongols because they killed the people closest to him, but it felt cliche (actually I originally had Bae a prisoner of war who escaped and became part of the Sinuigun, the calvary and third branch of the Elite Patrols). Yeah, of all the characters, Kim Tongjong is the most difficult.
Bae Jungson- The stoic spartan man who will do whatever it takes to keep resistance against the Mongols going in order to protect his power, such as selling people to slavery in order to fund it, quarantine sick soldiers suffering from diseases caught from catapulted plagued corpses and burn the container to the ground, and kill anyone who dares leave. His do whatever it takes tactics is so extreme he kills even his old retainer's son (Im Yumu) to restore what he sees as righteous order to the military under his command.
No Young-Hui- Friend of Jungson who likes to brutalize prisoners of war for the pleasure of it. He's chief of the Night Patrols, a special police force that keeps an eye out for bandits, hence the police brutality aspect of his personality.
Kim Banggyong: The Koryo general assigned to put down the rebellion. Similarly with Tongjong, I had some difficulties what to do with him, ranging from a general afraid of putting down fellow countrymen to a loyal dog of the government. I also added uneasiness with having to work with "barbarians" and conflicts with Hindu was a major part of his character.
Wonjong: The king of Koryo who wants the rebellion put down out of hatred for the Age of Warriors. Witnessing the devastation of the Mongols, he blames the warriors for continuing the war when a treaty could have been reached, though inside he blames the Mongols as well, but you get the idea.
Hindu: Ruthless like any Mongol. DYC mentioned that Hindu didn't like the integration of cultures (I thought Genghis allowed that too, though I could be wrong) and expresses dislike for Koryo, going as far as to insult Koryo officers saying "Your king cut off his own puppet strings just to go crawling to another puppet master". He takes it further by reacting to the resistance of the Sambyeolcho, "If dogs are beat and keep on barking and snapping, beat them harder until they can't bark anymore". I'm thinking about making him heartless/emotionless or have a unenthusiastic personality, but originally I was gonna make him a happy guy who likes killing, though I later felt that Jarlairtai was more appropriate for this.
Hong Tagu: Vengeful man who sides with the Mongols because a Koryo Prince killed his father. Other than that, I'm not sure what else to do in order to give him more depth. Nuff said.
You've noticed that almost nobody is a good person in my ideas. Most historicals I've seen usually have a black and white viewpoint, particularly ones about invasions and about good nobles vs bad nobles. I'm not sure if any of the corporations will want these, considering its about a rebellion against foreign invaders, where the resistance is good and the invaders bad, not to mention its probably honored by nationalists who see the Sambyeolcho for bravely standing against a large empire.
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