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Post by zorro on Jul 14, 2008 9:11:29 GMT -5
I understand why he wants to go after Lady Jami, and Master Lee, but at the end of episode 14, he also threatens his boyhood fencing coach. (can't remember his name, but starts with a J) Admittedly they're rivals now, especially with the silk buying catastrophe, but J had just saved GB's life in the previous episode, and from the way it looked no one ever told GB that this was the case. He may have helped GB only for Jung-Hwa's sake, but there were earlier instances where he also helped indirectly, I just don't remember the specifics. I believe he looked out for GB when they were kids, and this has carried over even to present day. 14 ended with GB's promise to destroy Master Lee and J along with him, but I hope J or someone (Jung-Hwa) speaks up on his behalf. He may be on the "wrong" side, but he's an honorable character whose efforts deserve recognition. GB needs to know the whole truth before he makes any mistakes he'll regret later on. Arrrrrgh… I just went to koreanwiz to look for casting information… I wish I hadn't. They post a major spoiler IMO in the character description alongside the actor who plays Jang Yeom. Why would they do that?? I'll still watch, but that's a major disappointment.
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Post by Ducky on Jul 14, 2008 13:44:11 GMT -5
I understand why he wants to go after Lady Jami, and Master Lee, but at the end of episode 14, he also threatens his boyhood fencing coach. (can't remember his name, but starts with a J) Did you watch the very last scene of episode #14??? Goong Bok explains to Jang Yeom why he can never forget or forgive him for what he's done... Jang Yeom was directly involved in the attack on his boyhood home by the pirates... And indirectly involved in the murder of Goong Bok's father... What spoiler???
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Post by zorro on Jul 14, 2008 14:27:47 GMT -5
You're right, I missed the part about his father, but still he did save his life. That should count for something.
I PM'd you about the spoiler.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Jul 14, 2008 17:30:00 GMT -5
Oops, I guess this part is wrong; on another thread the brother was named as the assassin. But he sent the 3 assassins after him with the poisoned darts. GB nearly died from the poison. GB knows he's the culprit, doesn't he? Was there another reason too? The fencing lessons weren't free either. GB taught him something in exchange. Was it geography? I don't remember. Why would GB know a subject like that better than J? Was GB a slave all his life, or was that status because of the "helping the pirates" conviction by the government at the same time that his father was executed for it? (Sorry, maybe this isn't justified. It's hard to tell because I'm blaming him for things he didn't do. I haven't liked him, but maybe I should try to be more objective.) I don't think J has so much honor. He only sent the assassins after GB because he was jealous.
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Post by zorro on Jul 14, 2008 20:26:34 GMT -5
Ginnycat5,
Now I'm confused. You're not saying Jang Yeom sent the assassins, are you? He's the one who came upon the 3 and disabled them before taking GB to get help with the poisoning. The "culprit" as I remember was Jung Hwa's brother, whatever his sorry name is.
But you're right, GB did trade geographical knowledge for his fencing lessons. And I don't think GB knows any more about business than JY, but only happened to remember that if a Governor dies, people won't wear silk. He never would have known either except he was locked up in jail with the Gov. Dr.
But JY certainly does seem jealous of GB, and now he might be wondering if saving him was such a great idea after all.
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Post by downtown525 on Jul 15, 2008 1:17:06 GMT -5
You're correct Zorro - the brother is the "culprit".
Jang Yeom has always considered Goong Bok as his friend. Remember just recently how upset he was when he found out that Goong Bok and his cousin were sent to that prison in the desert. That's when he stated that Goong Bok was his friend. He rode across the desert for days to get to the prison where he planned to buy them back (and we know how that went).
He’s spared Goong Bok’s life several times: (1) When they were younger and the pirates attacked their village, he, his cousin and the Young Miss (Jung Hwa) were trying to escape and Jang Yeom let them, (2) When the government official that Jung Hwa was suppose to marry was killed and Goong Bok went after the killer (unknown to him it was Jang Yeom) they fought and instead of killing Goong Bok – Jang Yeom let him go and (3) Jang Yeom saved Goong Bok’s life when he was attacked by those thugs Jung Hwa’s brother hired to kill him and he was dying from the poison daggers.
The jealousy is about Jung Hwa. They’re both in love with her. But Jung Hwa only loves Goong Bok (at least as of the last episode, I believe she is also developing feelings for Jang Yeom). This is the way I see it - from Jang Yeom’s point of view, he sees himself and Goong Bok as friends however, Goong Bok is in the way of him winning Jung Hwa’s heart.
I’m really enjoying this drama. It seems more like a Japanese film than Korean. I don’t know how many episodes there are but I’ll continue to watch it until it ends.
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Post by Alexa on Jul 21, 2008 19:07:00 GMT -5
In exchange for fencing lessons GB gave him geography information. I guess he grew up in a shipyard, and fixing ships, plus it was his hometown, so he knew his home. but I think because of the information that GB gave, the pirates along with Master Lee and J, were able to attack GB's hometown. I'm trying to catch up on the episodes on mysoju.com
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Post by MTR on Jul 24, 2008 16:21:05 GMT -5
Goong Bok was a real person and the best friend of Jango Bo (Chang Po Go in history books ). he followed JB to China where both made a name for them selves in the Military before returning to Silla . Goong Bok was famous as a swimmer especially underwater . I have a lot more info on him and Yeon Jam but due to spoilers im saving it for series end .
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Post by petitesweetie on Jul 28, 2008 11:59:55 GMT -5
I didn't know that Goong Bok was a real person. I thought the series was based on a novel. I can't wait to hear more about him. But with 52 episodes, I'll have a long wait.
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Post by zorro on Sept 20, 2008 9:16:34 GMT -5
I like this show a lot, but it does make me wonder at times. Jang Bo Go has come a long way and is a respected commander now. So why did he and his hand picked escort warriors sail through the most dangerous portion of their trip without any defensive precautions? When the attack came, they acted completely surprised, even though they had been "watching and warning and expecting" an ambush attack precisely in that immediate area. As a highly sought after commander, (didn't the Chinese Emperor want to make him a General?) why didn't he at least post his archers on each side of the ship when they reached that part of their journey? Instead, all the arrows came from the pirates… making JBG (and his men) look clueless. Way to impress Jung hwa on their first mission together, eh? It's like they have an AA (Archers Anonymous) chapter in effect when they need them the most. They did the same thing more than once in DJY as well, but there as here, the hero always lives to fight again. Too bad so many of his "elite" warriors weren't so lucky. I hope he does a better job of preparing this week. It's frustrating to see him losing to Jang Yeom so many times.
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Post by mikey on Sept 21, 2008 8:19:11 GMT -5
I didn't know that Goong Bok was a real person. I thought the series was based on a novel. A little late in responding, but I recall that the producers of EOTS candidly admitted that their drama was “90% fiction.” Still, the show is based on actual historical events and figures. And “Goong-bok” (known today as Jang/Chang Bo-go) is respected enough in military circles to have had a South Korean Navy submarine (pennant number SS 061) christened in his honor:
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Post by Alexa on Sept 22, 2008 20:35:35 GMT -5
what?! he was a real person!!!!! I wonder why then this drama is 90% fictional and they didn't try to keep some of it more real.
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Post by mikey on Sept 23, 2008 9:19:30 GMT -5
Following the final episode, KBS offered up a one-hour retrospective hosted by actress Chae Si-ra (a.k.a.“Madame Jami”). She explained that because historians know almost nothing of Jang Bo-go’s early life (and very little, really, of his later years) that most of EOTS was, by necessity, fictional. Jang Bo-go and Yum Moon (historians seem to more commonly refer to him as “Yeom Jang”) were real historical figures, and the story of how Jang Bo-go transformed Korea from some kind of backwaters country into a center of international trading was historically correct (as were a few other things I won’t mention, since they’re big-time spoilers). And, while people like Madame Jami and Master Yi were made-up characters, I think they were meant to reasonably represent some of the real-life traders of that time. I’m also just about 100% sure that the show’s love-triangle storyline is complete, fictional hooey. A pretty good historical account of the real-life Jang Bo-go can be found at Wikipedia - but be forewarned, it offers up some huge (though historically correct) spoilers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_BogoEOTS, therefore, can’t exactly be used as a video textbook on Korean history, but if you take it all in the proper spirit, it does have enough real history to get a nice historical overview.
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Post by zorro on Nov 10, 2008 10:12:25 GMT -5
Historical or not, I'm getting frustrated with JBG's contrary-an decisions.
Sometimes (often actually) I wonder how he got as far as he did with all the inconsistencies and mistakes made. The ending to last night's (44) episode made *no* sense to me, especially when we saw the "Gotcha!" look come over Jang Yeom's face right after JBG fell for his sad story.
Accepting Yang Kim and his men under certain conditions until trust earned is one thing, but that speech he made to JY (with tears about to fall) was only good for an April Fool's day joke. If our hero's intent was reverse psychology, I don't think JY's buying it one minute.
Of course 45 *could* start out with YJ bowing and crying at BJG's feet out of gratitude… NOT!
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Post by soapygrams on Nov 10, 2008 12:15:50 GMT -5
;D I agree with you totally Zorro. It made no sense to me - I'm a big-time sentimentalist but this was too much even for me . I've wondered about a few of his choices too - good thing it's a FICTIONAL historical story . . . I'd be very upset to think any REAL leader would make those same choices. But I'll keep watching until the end . . being an addict as I am . .
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