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Post by tinkerbell on Jul 6, 2008 23:12:50 GMT -5
Yes, sekeremaker, he's "Ole Eyepatch".
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Post by seven stars on Jul 7, 2008 9:57:48 GMT -5
It's definitely him!
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Post by JP Paulus on Jul 7, 2008 18:47:28 GMT -5
i need to see some more comparison photos...because i too have a hard time believing it's Kim Young Chul. The facial hair really does change his looks!
By the way, please feel free to resurrect old discussions (we have them listed by episode #)...it can help us Chicagoans reminenice & think about old episodes in a new light!
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Post by seven stars on Jul 8, 2008 8:59:47 GMT -5
Epi's by number is a great approach. How long have we been doing that?
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Post by jojo on Jul 9, 2008 6:38:26 GMT -5
Anyone know if there is a reason for red vs blue robes? Does the color imply some type of government function? I think JP means inserting the episode number at the beginning of the message so we know which one's being discussed. Eg: Ep 4 was full of shocking events. The king abdicating the thone was a very interesting political move. The Mim brothers are despicable. The eunuch's grandmother: did she really think the Mim brothers would let her and her grandson live? I feel bad for Prince Choongnyeong - craves his father's approval and now the King thinks the prince wrote the posters. Or perhaps the King doesn't believe it, but is acting along with the perpetrator's plot... hmmm...
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Post by tinkerbell on Jul 9, 2008 16:50:24 GMT -5
I feel so bad for little Prince Choongnyeong. Kidnapped and escaped death twice so far. In episode 3 he was forced to watch his trusted servant Jang Won being beaten to death. That was disturbing. Poor Jang Won. What a horrible experience for a child to have to witness. Why did his father do that to him? He seems a bit callous to me. I felt the same thing about Crown Prince Yangnyeong being told to kill his brother. Obviously it won't happen but just the idea of it. I'm a little confused about why the two princes are being backed by different groups. Aren't they both sons of the King and Queen? Why are they so against Prince Choongnyeong that they want him killed? I know the one group are the remnants of Goryeo. Why didn't PC tell anybody what the eunuch who was stabbed told him? Didn't he confess that he forged the posters? I'm not sure if King Taejong believes he did it or not. BTW, why is WYBE cutting out scenes? In episode 1 they didn't even show the ninja attack that was supposed to be a training exercise. That should have been right before the eunuchs lighting the lamps and the discovery of the body.
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Post by seven stars on Jul 10, 2008 9:49:10 GMT -5
It might have been the first episode in which it became clear that Choongnyeong is not the son of the queen but rather that of a consort.
Check the Chosun family tree for clarification Tink.
One thing that I'll say I appreciated was the fact that the Chinese envoy was actually speaking Chinese. I've always felt that it would add something to these series' if they were to incorporate foreign languages. This sentiment was at it's strongest while I watched IYSS.
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Post by ajk on Jul 10, 2008 15:52:51 GMT -5
Tinkerbell, I can help you out a bit with some of the confusion. In Ep1 you saw a brief flashback to the Second Princes’ Rebellion. During King Taejo’s reign there were a pair of bloody conflicts in which princes killed each other seeking the throne. Yi Bangwon was the prince we saw in the flashback; he survived the conflicts and became Taejong, the present king. The other two people fighting with Bangwon in that flashback were the two Min brothers. The Min clan backed Bangwon with the “muscle” he needed to be victorious. So now, the Mins and their sister the queen are strongly behind Yangnyeong being crown prince—not so much because they think he’s the best, but because they desperately want to avoid a repeat in which princes are killing each other. Choongnyeong has become a threat to the peaceful succession in their eyes, and they don’t want any such thing happening.
The Goryeo loyalists are against Yangnyeong just because he’s going to be the next king of the regime that butchered the Goryeo royal descendants. It’s not that they admire Choongnyeong, they just want any kind of chaos that will topple the Joseon regime so they can reinstate Goryeo.
One thing about this series, in the early episodes they do presume that you have some knowledge of the historical background. So if you’re as clueless as I was, you have to do some homework. If you browse the other threads here you’ll find some that give good links and background information that will help as you watch.
About the cutting of scenes: The first two episodes ran longer than an hour, so I’m guessing WYBE cut scenes to get them down to an hour. That must be what they were doing instead of answering their telephone.
P.S. Choongnyeong is the queen’s son; it’s prince Kyoungnyeong who’s the son of consort Hyobin.
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Post by seven stars on Jul 11, 2008 11:40:58 GMT -5
OIC,
Thanks for the clarification AJK! It's good to have an "astute observer" or two in our midst. Of course Tink would fall into that category as well.
-7S
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Post by ajk on Jul 11, 2008 15:47:07 GMT -5
Well, I don't know about that...people who know me would probably say "a stupe" rather than "astute"! But I appreciate it and will try to keep on top of things. Actually, I don't think you've seen much of Kyoungnyeong yet, if anything, so it will get clearer as you see more of the different princes. But you're right, the king having a kid with his concubine is a real sore spot for the queen.
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Post by tinkerbell on Jul 12, 2008 11:16:25 GMT -5
Thanks ajk. I understood what happened in the rebellion and the Queen and her clan were bitter about the King "neglecting" them. If it weren't for them backing Bangwon (Taejong), the other brother might have been king. I even understood the remnants of Goryeo wanting revenge, they had every right to after the way their people were slaughtered. You filled in the missing part about Prince Choongnyeong. Thank you, that had me puzzled. "About the cutting of scenes: The first two episodes ran longer than an hour, so I’m guessing WYBE cut scenes to get them down to an hour. That must be what they were doing instead of answering their telephone."Good one ajk, that explains it! ;D
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Post by tinkerbell on Jul 12, 2008 11:25:46 GMT -5
It might have been the first episode in which it became clear that Choongnyeong is not the son of the queen but rather that of a consort. Check the Chosun family tree for clarification Tink. One thing that I'll say I appreciated was the fact that the Chinese envoy was actually speaking Chinese. I've always felt that it would add something to these series' if they were to incorporate foreign languages. This sentiment was at it's strongest while I watched IYSS. I liked that they spoke Chinese too 7S. I guess if there were numerous scenes, if would drag it out a lot longer. It does make it realistic though.
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Post by sekeremaker on Jul 12, 2008 18:45:07 GMT -5
When this drama came on, I went looking for a synopsis. I'm one of those people who NEEDS to have some idea what's going on. Maybe it was cheating, but I found out that the two princes knew that the kid would make a better king. They deliberately behaved badly so that they would be kicked out of town leaving the throne to little Choong. One became a wanderer and the other became a Buddhist monk.
I have to remember that the writers change the story for dramatic punch, so I still don't know what MAY be going on.
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Post by tinkerbell on Jul 14, 2008 18:10:32 GMT -5
I don't think I like the man Crown Prince Yangnyeong grew up to be. He seems a bit arrogant, unless it's an act. At the end of episode 6, as he rides back triumphant after fighting off the Japanese, he first smiles at his brothers, then frowns, and smiles again. I find him confusing. In a previous episode, he was yelling at young Prince Choongnyeong and I couldn't tell if he was serious or testing him. I guess it will take a few more episodes to figure him out. I'm glad we found out what happened to the Min brothers. I'm sure it was very hard for Min Muhyul to go back and help the CP, especially having witnessed his brothers' deaths. I was a bit curious why the Japanese chose the same time as the party at the palace to attack Gangryeongpo, or was it just a coincidence? Perhaps they had information of the event and thought their raid would be more successful while people were preoccupied with the royal event.
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Post by seven stars on Jul 15, 2008 9:29:19 GMT -5
A little Japanese in there on Saturday night as well.
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