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Post by seven stars on Feb 14, 2008 10:26:23 GMT -5
I appreciate the thoughtfulness with which we've gone about this particular discussion. Having said that, the details of this small pox episode are only one small part of the original matter which is western powers engaging in the less than humane treatment of those that "get in the way". And Bo acknowledged this point from the very beginning. There isn't anything wrong with pursuing the truth.
Just another vote of confidence in Bo's integrity here!
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Post by TheBo on Feb 14, 2008 11:07:39 GMT -5
IHI. Thanks, 7S. Ducky, I agree that the US was not in existence at the time of the smallpox blanket incident, but that does not automatically wipe out all the wrongs we did to the people who were here before we were. You seem to imply that it does. Also, I am not any more inclined to accept your statement, "Most experts on the subject credit the rampant spread of smallpox through the tribes as a result of cannibalism, scalping, and theft of household items (bedding, clothing, etc)..." without proof than I was to accept the infected blankets scenario. What experts? Where do they say this?
Bo
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Post by jeff on Feb 14, 2008 21:35:11 GMT -5
I think you guys need to relearn your history. America was already established early on by its first constitution. It was a weak draft because england had power to control them. The second constitution, in 1776,is what gave the official independants from england. But again America was establish before hand. Here is a link www.glynnnewman.org/edu/chapterone.htm
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Post by Ducky on Feb 15, 2008 6:10:47 GMT -5
IHI. Thanks, 7S. Ducky, I agree that the US was not in existence at the time of the smallpox blanket incident, but that does not automatically wipe out all the wrongs we did to the people who were here before we were. You seem to imply that it does. I'm sorry..I did not mean to imply anything...I was responding to "Danielson Guest"'s post that the US government was responsible for the whole "blanket-smallpox" plan... It was British officers from a British fort who came up with the plan and carried it out... I did some long hard reading last night, but I can't find the book that referenced the cannibalism, scalping, etc...(still looking...) As for the whole "people who were here before us"... I don't know who on the Iternuts you will take as facts... but even National Geographic has admitted that American Indians are decended from Asians, and there is evidence of people from other parts of the world being on the North American continent first... The Indians must know it's true, because they are suing to hide the evidence, twisting an old law, claiming that skeletons found in North America with European facial features, and pre-dating the oldest Indian artifacts, must be their ancestors regardless of the scientists findings, and want to have all the proof sent to them for burial in a secret location...
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Post by seven stars on Feb 15, 2008 8:25:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the lesson Jeff. What's our homework for next week? Of course you know I'm only joking around.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 19, 2008 11:36:38 GMT -5
I think you guys need to relearn your history. America was already established early on by its first constitution. It was a weak draft because england had power to control them. The second constitution, in 1776,is what gave the official independants from england. But again America was establish before hand.... Okay, Jeff, the incident we are discussing took place in 1763. The page you reference tells me the articles of confederation were from 1781 to 1789. How does that work, exactly? Also, just for argument's sake, just because "A' existed when "B" occurred does not mean that "A" is responsible for "B."Second, Ducky my fellow, how does the fact that Asians immigrated here before us (non-"Indians"), or whether European-types (they also said the person could be from INDIA btw) got here first, cancel out the fact that someone was here before someone else? "The people who were here before us" is a pretty simple statement. They were here first. We done them wrong. You are trying to conflate two separate issues. First has to do with ancient peoples and where they came from, and these are anthropological questions. The second has to do with the nature of invasion, land acquisition and power. Entirely separate.
It is hard to tell that your quote comes from the National Geographic article, by the way. Bo PS = KEY: Answer to Jeff = Blue Answer to Ducky = Green
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Post by Ducky on Mar 4, 2008 1:46:23 GMT -5
--quote removed by moderator to remove links-- HeHe...I guess you don't need more MODS... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D PS - Mod Note: We thank you for your understanding. - Bo
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Post by Ducky on Mar 4, 2008 2:17:05 GMT -5
They were here first. We done them wrong. Bo Why do you liberals hate yourself so much???
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Post by ajk on Mar 4, 2008 12:57:37 GMT -5
Ducky, do us all a favor and take the talk-radio garbage someplace else. I’m a moderate and couldn’t care less what liberals and conservatives think of each other. But nobody here wants to read that kind of baseless generalization. Disagree with Bo or anybody else all you want, but do it like a grown-up.
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Post by seven stars on Mar 10, 2008 8:30:26 GMT -5
Wow,
Putting it down!
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